Crybabies at my office force a no firearms on-site policy

[shadow9d9]

Plus like I've already tried explaining we have a lot of "negligent homicides" that other countries don't classify as homicides, so the numbers are flawed when you use a general criteria that has different definitions and thresholds in other countries.

Yep, and I already said that death is death, and more deaths are more deaths.

 

[shadow9d9]

I fail to see how you can realistically compare Japan to the USA, or canada for that matter, completely different societys.

but if you want, sure, Japan's rape numbers are disgusting, and reports say that many many rapes go unreported, so what about that? should we trade murders for high rape and suicide rates?

Rapes are a different issue. Feel free to start a thread about them

guns are less controlled here than in canada, which would also explain us having more of them

We are not talking about the number of guns, we are talking about obsession with guns and how our gun violence rate/homicide rate are way higher than other countries.

anti-gunners seem more obsessed with guns than say, most gun owners.

Except,

1. A pro gunner made this post to whine
2. Our gun violence/homicide rates are higher than the other first world countries
3. Our paranoia and obsession with guns has results even outside of violence. For example, even though gun "rights" have never been threatened, legislation is still pushed and ever expanded.. such as allowing guns into national parks, etc. More and more guns are never enough.. they have to be carried everywhere and people freak over nonsense(like OP).
4. Your statement is pure opinion without a shred of evidence. Anyone could claim anything "seems" one way or another. It means nothing.

Let's throw some facts in other than "it seems"

According to The Center for Public Integrity, 145 groups are registered as making gun-related filings to lobby Congress, the largest being the National Rifle Association, spending about $1.5 million per year, predominantly through two lobbying firms, the WPP Group and The Federalist Group.[56] Ranked by total filings, gun-rights lobbying exceeded gun-control lobbying by the ratio of approximately 3:1.[57]
Measured in dollars, in 2007, gun rights political spending on lobbying totaled $1,959,407 versus gun control spending of $60,800.[58]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_States

Gun owners spend THIRTY TWO TIMES AS MUCH MONEY LOBBYING FOR GUNS than gun control does... Oh, yeah, it really "seems" like anti gun people are super obsessed!

and I never argued that our firearm homicide rate is higher, I said it DOESNT MATTER.

Maybe to you...

how much higher is the HOMICIDE RATE?

A decent amount higher. The 65% of our homicides are gun related in the US. 25% of them are in Germany, 35% in Canada, hell even Mexico is only 56%.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

This compares to other countries as well.
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF10.htm

what you use doesnt matter, at all. what matters for comparison is the homicide rate. anyone with an IQ allowing them to go to public schools should be able to figure out that if you have more guns per capita more people will use them to kill over other means like knifes bats ETC. but cherry picking the stat of firearm homicide rate is silly and biased

See above.

 

[FDF12389]

Yep, and I already said that death is death, and more deaths are more deaths.

But you aren't using a death statistic you are you using a homicide statistic, and we call things homicide that other countries don't. You can't possibly be this dense.

 

[shadow9d9]

But you aren't using a death statistic you are you using a homicide statistic, and we call things homicide that other countries don't. You can't possibly be this dense.

Would you mind going through each of my sources and pointing out where you determined this?

 

[Zargon]

Rapes are a different issue. Feel free to start a thread about them

sure they are, as I point out the flaws of the societys you are trying to laud as better than ours?

We are not talking about the number of guns, we are talking about obsession with guns and how our gun violence rate/homicide rate are way higher than other countries.

please see your remarks about opinion as you deem us 'obsessed' which is your opinion

Let's throw some facts in other than "it seems"

According to The Center for Public Integrity, 145 groups are registered as making gun-related filings to lobby Congress, the largest being the National Rifle Association, spending about $1.5 million per year, predominantly through two lobbying firms, the WPP Group and The Federalist Group.[56] Ranked by total filings, gun-rights lobbying exceeded gun-control lobbying by the ratio of approximately 3:1.[57]
Measured in dollars, in 2007, gun rights political spending on lobbying totaled $1,959,407 versus gun control spending of $60,800.[58]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_States

Gun owners spend THIRTY TWO TIMES AS MUCH MONEY LOBBYING FOR GUNS than gun control does... Oh, yeah, it really "seems" like anti gun people are super obsessed!

the NRA does some silly things......but they fight tons of antigun bills that you claim dont exist. IL AG just tried to make every FOID card owners name and address public record and publish it in the news paper. who helped fight that? the NRA.

yes people can carry in national parks now, somehow there are no shooting rampages there there surprisingly enough. however, I can go on a hike into the rockys or other areas that contain large deadly predators like bears, and mt lions, and have a way to protect myself, god thats so dilusional!

A decent amount higher. The 65% of our homicides are gun related in the US. 25% of them are in Germany, 35% in Canada, hell even Mexico is only 56%.

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Maybe to you...

homicide rate is whats important, that care more about whats killing than people being killed shows your agenda.

http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm


you absolutely way off case if you think that banning guns will end crimes. other countries have shown small drops in murder rates while most other crime rates increase. less guns = more crime. period.

not to mention the scandals in the UK reguarding the PD underreporting crimes under pressure from parliament yet their numbers still get worse.


you are focused on a very small picture here, while I am pointing out the larger picture, if you look at just murder rates our crime problems seem INSANE, but the big picture is, our VIOLENT CRIME rates are better than alot of the places you are lauding. and based on the victim data I have posted on murders, the causes are obvious, and they arent the guns.

rap artists have been 'under fire' for years for their promotion of violence to young black males and they are inciting crime with their music.

you are taking a problem thats mostly in one demographic of the US and then making blanket statements about us as a whole

 

[shadow9d9]

sure they are, as I point out the flaws of the societys you are trying to laud as better than ours?

Different topics are for different threads.

please see your remarks about opinion as you deem us 'obsessed' which is your opinion



the NRA does some silly things......but they fight tons of antigun bills that you claim dont exist. IL AG just tried to make every FOID card owners name and address public record and publish it in the news paper. who helped fight that? the NRA.

yes people can carry in national parks now, somehow there are no shooting rampages there there surprisingly enough. however, I can go on a hike into the rockys or other areas that contain large deadly predators like bears, and mt lions, and have a way to protect myself, god thats so dilusional!

Just "seems" like in reality, the obsessed ones spend 32x the amount of the ones you think are. Kinda weird!

homicide rate is whats important, that care more about whats killing than people being killed shows your agenda.

http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm


you absolutely way off case if you think that banning guns will end crimes. other countries have shown small drops in murder rates while most other crime rates increase. less guns = more crime. period.

not to mention the scandals in the UK reguarding the PD underreporting crimes under pressure from parliament yet their numbers still get worse.


you are focused on a very small picture here, while I am pointing out the larger picture, if you look at just murder rates our crime problems seem INSANE, but the big picture is, our VIOLENT CRIME rates are better than alot of the places you are lauding. and based on the victim data I have posted on murders, the causes are obvious, and they arent the guns.

rap artists have been 'under fire' for years for their promotion of violence to young black males and they are inciting crime with their music.

you are taking a problem thats mostly in one demographic of the US and then making blanket statements about us as a whole

I never once mentioned gun control... mater of fact, I have multiple times have explained that in this thread.. that is just the fallback position of the gun obsessed. The point I made, and backed by the facts, are that we are gun crazy and obsessed in the US. You are included.

YOU may want to steer the conversation about violent crimes, but again, create your own thread... I am talking about the gun obsessed and that specifically will require references to gun related homicide stats.

Sorry!