Crybabies at my office force a no firearms on-site policy

[Zargon]

I agree with your co-workers.
At least once a day I read a news article about a gun jumping out of a holster, running up some stairs and the shooting someone that was standing around the water cooler talking about "Entourage" when they should have been working.

we had that happen here last week, but they were talking about "gossip girl"

it received a commendation :thumbsup:

 

[Leros]

I have no problem with a no firearms policy for standard employees, but I you need the security, I have no problems wtih the security team having guns.

 

[shadow9d9]

the famous no gun UK has a higher rate of violent crime. I posted links to that in one of HAL9000's 90000 antigun threads

Violent crime is not gun related crime.

0.12 per 100k firearm homicide rate in the UK. 2.97 in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime


Oh, and non Firearm homicide is 1.33 in England and Wales vs 4.58 in the US.

You are still wrong even without guns.



Canada is .54 per 100k.

On that list, no other first world country is as high as us, and Mexico is the next most homicidal related to guns.

 

[olds]

More people in the US die at the hands of doctors than do at the barrels of guns.
A gun is a right guaranteed in the Constitution and affirmed by SCOTUS.
A doctor is not a right. I say we ban all doctors and clear that little statistic right up. It'll be the feel good legislation of the century. :thumbsup:

 

[edro]

I hate how the US is so full of paranoid lunatics that see a gun and think it means someone is going to go on a murderous rampage.

Correct.
A car is just as dangerous. Drive it down any metropolis sidewalk.

 

[shadow9d9]

More people in the US die at the hands of doctors than do at the barrels of guns.
A gun is a right guaranteed in the Constitution and affirmed by SCOTUS.
A doctor is not a right. I say we ban all doctors and clear that little statistic right up. It'll be the feel good legislation of the century. :thumbsup:

Gun rights are not and were never in dispute. So there goes that wasted sentence(strawman).

Doctors attempt to save lives, while the purpose of a gun is to kill. Cute, but really pathetic attempt. 1/10

 

[shadow9d9]

Correct.
A car is just as dangerous. Drive it down any metropolis sidewalk.

A car's purpose is to kill? A gun's purpose is only to kill. Accidents happen with cars, but it is not their purpose.

Really? All you people are proving is how lunatic and paranoid you are about your guns. Using ridiculously poor hyperbole in an attempt at defending your precious killing machines.

Keep it up. Compare Hitler next, as a way to justify your love, attachment, and paranoia related to your killing machines.

 

[Wanescotting]

So, if I understand correctly, the folks the OP works with felt "threatened" by armed security? WTF? At what point do we put "feelings" aside and allow logic to dictate? I bet those same people would feel "threatened" if robbed at gunpoint while the unarmed security guards just sat and watched.
What is next? OP tell management you feel threatened by the color red, maybe they will institute a policy on that as well...

 

[shadow9d9]

So, if I understand correctly, the folks the OP works with felt "threatened" by armed security? WTF? At what point do we put "feelings" aside and allow logic to dictate? I bet those same people would feel "threatened" if robbed at gunpoint while the unarmed security guards just sat and watched.
What is next? OP tell management you feel threatened by the color red, maybe they will institute a policy on that as well...

Better yet, let him cry like a baby on an internet forum because some people carrying guns were not allowed on private property!

 

[GoodRevrnd]

That was never said. Strawman away!

The US has higher gun crimes with the same amount of guns per population.

Look at internet pro arguer here crying strawman. Get over yourself. Like you're asking for a deliberate rational debate with a rhetoric loaded statement like "I hate that the US is so full of paranoid lunatics that feel the need to carry around killing machines with them.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Better yet, let him cry like a baby on an internet forum because some people carrying guns were not allowed on private property!

See, you're missing the point about the whole thread because you're so wound up in your guns are instruments of destruction fervor. The point is that people are scared nitwits that are threatened by things that aren't actually a threat to them that they pressure everyone else in a way that unnecessarily restricts their ability to carry.

Do you even understand that the OP is saying that the company's OWN EMPLOYEES that are required to carry as part of their jobs are no longer allowed to within the office complex because of pressure put on management by scared little drones? 2nd Amendment rights and the rights of private property owners to forbid firearms on their property honestly aren't even relevant to the discussion in this thread.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Violent crime is not gun related crime.

0.12 per 100k firearm homicide rate in the UK. 2.97 in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime


Oh, and non Firearm homicide is 1.33 in England and Wales vs 4.58 in the US.

You are still wrong even without guns.



Canada is .54 per 100k.

On that list, no other first world country is as high as us, and Mexico is the next most homicidal related to guns.

And gun crime isn't a gun issue either ultimately. Violent crime is a socio-economic problem, so really comparing homicide rates between countries in a gun debate is pretty pointless.



And I need to learn to use multi-quote.

 

[shadow9d9]

Look at internet pro arguer here crying strawman. Get over yourself. Like you're asking for a deliberate rational debate with a rhetoric loaded statement like "I hate that the US is so full of paranoid lunatics that feel the need to carry around killing machines with them.

When people start making things up and claiming that I said them, just so they could steer the argument to where they are more comfortable(non issues), it makes sense to call them out on it. Sorry this upsets you.

 

[Wanescotting]

See, you're missing the point about the whole thread because you're so wound up in your guns are instruments of destruction fervor. The point is that people are scared nitwits that are threatened by things that aren't actually a threat to them that they pressure everyone else in a way that unnecessarily restricts their ability to carry.

Do you even understand that the OP is saying that the company's OWN EMPLOYEES that are required to carry as part of their jobs are no longer allowed to within the office complex because of pressure put on management by scared little drones? 2nd Amendment rights and the rights of private property owners to forbid firearms on their property honestly aren't even relevant to the discussion in this thread.

This. I think the OP is outraged by the fact that management put a policy in place due to idiot fear mongering.

 

[shadow9d9]

And gun crime isn't a gun issue either ultimately. Violent crime is a socio-economic problem, so really comparing homicide rates between countries in a gun debate is pretty pointless.

It is certainly PART of the problem, but you would be hard to find conclusive evidence that it is the ONLY relation. The insane amount of paranoia and lunacy(evidenced by OP) related to gun owners specifically in the US has plenty to do with it imo.

 

[shadow9d9]

See, you're missing the point about the whole thread because you're so wound up in your guns are instruments of destruction fervor. The point is that people are scared nitwits that are threatened by things that aren't actually a threat to them that they pressure everyone else in a way that unnecessarily restricts their ability to carry.

Do you even understand that the OP is saying that the company's OWN EMPLOYEES that are required to carry as part of their jobs are no longer allowed to within the office complex because of pressure put on management by scared little drones? 2nd Amendment rights and the rights of private property owners to forbid firearms on their property honestly aren't even relevant to the discussion in this thread.

The whole thread's "point" was one cry baby being upset about guns not being allowed on private property. I pointed out that his paranoia and strange obsession to be more evidence of the insane attachment to killing machines of the US population.

Yes, I read the OP.

Correct, 2nd amendment rights are not relevant here, hence my pointing out the strawmen.

Incorrect, a private business on private property absolutely has the right to do what they did. This is relevant imo- The private company's guards have other options, such as pressing a button that silently calls the police to handle any situations. This is their choice and their decision and is absolutely rational.

The OP calls people who don't like killing machines around them to be cry babies, and I say that killing machine lovers who post on internet forums and even CARING about this are way too paranoid and insane when it comes to guns.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

When people start making things up and claiming that I said them, just so they could steer the argument to where they are more comfortable(non issues), it makes sense to call them out on it. Sorry this upsets you.

I didn't make something up and claimed you said it. I quoted your dumb statement and added my own response worded in a manner mocking what you said. The fact that your still screaming strawman just proves my pro e-arguer point.

The whole thread's "point" was one cry baby being upset about guns not being allowed on private property. I pointed out that his paranoia and strange obsession to be more evidence of the insane attachment to killing machines of the US population.

Yes, I read the OP.

Correct, 2nd amendment rights are not relevant here, hence my pointing out the strawmen.

Incorrect, a private business on private property absolutely has the right to do what they did. This is relevant imo- The private company's guards have other options, such as pressing a button that silently calls the police to handle any situations. This is their choice and their decision and is absolutely rational.

The OP calls people who don't like killing machines around them to be cry babies, and I say that killing machine lovers who post on internet forums and even CARING about this are way too paranoid and insane when it comes to guns.

I think the OP is outraged by the fact that management put a policy in place due to idiot fear mongering.

YOU (not Wane) are the only one in here with strawman arguments bringing up things about gun and crime statistics and pointing out that it's a private property so stop crying. That isn't even relevant. Management changing policies because of fear is the only real discussion point in this thread.

You have got to be a troll. Only a troll would run around with a megaphone yelling strawman while simultaneously spouting off hyperbole, ad hominem attacks, and rhetoric loaded language like "killing machines."

 

[dud]

I'm all for firearms ... just not in the hands of people.

 

[Svnla]

All the places that I worked or work at (Fortune 500), no firearms/knifes/weapons of anykind are allowed on site.

 

[Wanescotting]

The whole thread's "point" was one cry baby being upset about guns not being allowed on private property. I pointed out that his paranoia and strange obsession to be more evidence of the insane attachment to killing machines of the US population.

Yes, I read the OP.

Correct, 2nd amendment rights are not relevant here, hence my pointing out the strawmen.

Incorrect, a private business on private property absolutely has the right to do what they did. This is relevant imo- The private company's guards have other options, such as pressing a button that silently calls the police to handle any situations. This is their choice and their decision and is absolutely rational.

The OP calls people who don't like killing machines around them to be cry babies, and I say that killing machine lovers who post on internet forums and even CARING about this are way too paranoid and insane when it comes to guns.

You don't get it. His coworkers HAVE NO DAMN business worrying about things like this. He is outraged at their stupidity.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm pretty sure the OP is either unemployed or this never happened at his work.

 

[BUTCH1]

Every company I've ever worked for has had a no firearms on company property policy.

Big fucking deal...

We have that policy at work too, along with a shirts must be tucked in rule. As our product is seasonal a lot of the workers are temps, one day the temp. supervisor saw a worker without his shirt tucked in and asked him to do so, the guy replies" I can't, then my gun shows", turns out he had a 9mm Glock stuck in his pants!, I don't know if he had a CCW or not, I would guess no..

 

[FDF12389]

It is private property, they can do what they want. Sad that people feel they need to have a firearm everywhere. I totally support gun rights, but this is just nuts. I have a friend who works IT and he does concealed carry at work, imo I think he is just being overly paranoid. And for those who will cite being going postal, how often does that really happen? More than 99% of people will go their entire lives never being in such a situation.

I've been robbed at gun point. Robbed on other occasions too, more than a few people I know have been robbed/assualted/raped. A few of those have been in bad areas, most have not.

While armed I've only had to draw once, and I'm glad I didn't have to fire. These event have not happened over a lifetime, I'm rather young.

Point is, I would rather be called paranoid by the ignorant than be declared dead by the medical examiner.

 

[shadow9d9]

You don't get it. His coworkers HAVE NO DAMN business worrying about things like this. He is outraged at their stupidity.

I get it. HE has NO DAMN BUSINESS worrying about other workers.

 

[Zargon]

Violent crime is not gun related crime.

0.12 per 100k firearm homicide rate in the UK. 2.97 in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime

Oh, and non Firearm homicide is 1.33 in England and Wales vs 4.58 in the US.

You are still wrong even without guns.



Canada is .54 per 100k.

On that list, no other first world country is as high as us, and Mexico is the next most homicidal related to guns.

where did those #'s come from because they aren't on that link.


violent crime is violent crime. my point is banning guns doesnt get rid of violent crime. in fact it seems to raise the VC crime rate in similar countries. you are cherry pickings stats, I am using violent crime as a whole.

who cares if america has more 'gun crime' if our overall crime rate is LOWER. isnt that the point, to lower the crime rate?


I will also go ahead and point out that there are more crimes per capita in UK than the US


and for the 1000th time thats not what the thread is about, it is stupid that some idiot is so afraid that these guys cant even carry their COMPANY ISSUED firearms into the companys building

this place supports nuke facilities for petes sake, guns should be the least of the persons worry