Crucified man had prior run-in with authorities

[Amused]

Crucified man had prior run-in with authorities


By Alexandra Petri April 12

The gentleman arrested Thursday and tried before Pontius Pilate had a troubled background.

Born (possibly out of wedlock?) in a stable, this jobless thirty-something of Middle Eastern origin had had previous run-ins with local authorities for disturbing the peace, and had become increasingly associated with the members of a fringe religious group. He spent the majority of his time in the company of sex workers and criminals.

He had had prior run-ins with local authorities — most notably, an incident of vandalism in a community center when he wrecked the tables of several licensed money-lenders and bird-sellers. He had used violent language, too, claiming that he could destroy a gathering place and rebuild it.

At the time of his arrest, he had not held a fixed residence for years. Instead, he led an itinerant lifestyle, staying at the homes of friends and advocating the redistribution of wealth.

He had come to the attention of the authorities more than once for his unauthorized distribution of food, disruptive public behavior, and participation in farcical aquatic ceremonies.

Some say that his brutal punishment at the hands of the state was out of proportion to and unrelated to any of these incidents in his record.

But after all, he was no angel.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

jobless, pffft, dude was a carpenter, and not nearly as pasty as that portrait suggests.

 

[shortylickens]

"middle-eastern origin"
whiter than david dukes,

fuckin lol

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

farcical aquatic ceremonies

Hah

 

[Sunburn74]

Don't forget. He was involved in an illegal moonshine operation at a wedding.

 

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Some say that his brutal punishment at the hands of the state was out of proportion to and unrelated to any of these incidents in his record.

Funny enough, widespread adoption of that moralistic attitude without a quest for vengeance would be the most transforming thing the world would ever experience.

Although, that would demand of people that they find other ways to manage their anger and aggression. Too bad we are so embroiled in sin that we rarely pass an opportunity to unleash our aggression in a socially acceptable fashion.

If you're reading this and wanting to flame me for this statement, ask yourself something: WWJD?

Oh, and I'm an atheist by the way.

 

[Grooveriding]

One of the big ironies is how the Christian churches of almost all denominations have turned the visual depiction of Jesus into a snow white anglo saxon, when he would have been a darker skinned Middle Eastern man. Then you have others, like the fanatical religious right of the US, who ignore that the mythology surrounding the Jesus story is of an individual who is an extreme socialist, as well as pacifist. A far left liberal by any reasonable estimation of his character.

I've never understood that one. If the man were real, the depictions of him in the book, are of an individual who would deplore the behaviour of the far right Republicans who have adopted him as their mascot.

 

[Sunburn74]

Jesus was the ultimate liberal. Was all about paying taxes, taking care of the weak, raging against archaic traditions, and sticking it to rich guys.

I even find it odd that he is almost always depicted with flowing long hair, but the right sees long hair on a guy as being a marker of being a morally bankrupt, liberal hippie. A true christian cuts his hair and votes republican.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won - Jesus

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Jesus was the ultimate liberal. Was all about paying taxes, taking care of the weak, raging against archaic traditions, and sticking it to rich guys.

I even find it odd that he is almost always depicted with flowing long hair, but the right sees long hair on a guy as being a marker of being a morally bankrupt, liberal hippie. A true christian cuts his hair and votes republican.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ" ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Which is about how I feel about it. Jesus was okay, it's too bad he was fictional. But the people who claim to love him are generally assholes.

 

[woolfe9998]

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ" ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Which is about how I feel about it. Jesus was okay, it's too bad he was fictional. But the people who claim to love him are generally assholes.

By fictional, are you referring to his historical existence, or to his divinity? The divinity part is almost certainly a fiction, but most secular scholars seem to think the biblical account is a fictionalized version of a real person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

 

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I've never understood that one. If the man were real, the depictions of him in the book, are of an individual who would deplore the behaviour of the far right Republicans who have adopted him as their mascot.

I think there is some truth to the stereotype that men of meager equipment tend to buy flashy sports cars.

As ubiquitous as reaction formations are (the human behavior of exaggeratedly representing yourself as the opposite of what lies beneath), it baffles me how regularly people are surprised to see them or perplexed at their origin.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

By fictional, are you referring to his historical existence, or to his divinity? The divinity part is almost certainly a fiction, but most secular scholars seem to think the biblical account is a fictionalized version of a real person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

The various factions of Christianity have been searching for evidence of Jesus for 2000 years and have come up empty. Completely, utterly empty. The first official mention of Jesus was more than 50 years after he lived and it came from a person that claimed he was divinely inspired in a dream. IF and that's a GIANT IF, there was a person named Jesus he made absolutely zero mark on the world. Not a single person who could have met him or even heard him speak mentioned him in any way. Not one person. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

So by default, the biblical Jesus is fictional. Not even counting (or discounting) his farcical divinity, the biblical Jesus did not exist. He didn't do those things, he didn't say those things because no witnesses saw or heard any of them. Which begs the question, who exactly was the supposed Jesus? He didn't perform miracles. Fine. He didn't die and rise again, fine. But if he existed at all he gave no sermons, had no followers, left no writings and had no official contact with authorities. No arrest record, no jail record, no mention as a rabble rouser. NOTHING. We have conclusive proof about people from that area who were religious leaders. Butchers and bakers and candlestick makers from the time of Jesus left some sort of mark on the world. They're mentioned, they have remains, they have offspring, they left writings and there were witnesses to their existence. But not Jesus. The guy in the bible is pure fiction. Not just the divinity, EVERYTHING.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The various factions of Christianity have been searching for evidence of Jesus for 2000 years and have come up empty. Completely, utterly empty. The first official mention of Jesus was more than 50 years after he lived and it came from a person that claimed he was divinely inspired in a dream. IF and that's a GIANT IF, there was a person named Jesus he made absolutely zero mark on the world. Not a single person who could have met him or even heard him speak mentioned him in any way. Not one person. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

So by default, the biblical Jesus is fictional. Not even counting (or discounting) his farcical divinity, the biblical Jesus did not exist. He didn't do those things, he didn't say those things because no witnesses saw or heard any of them. Which begs the question, who exactly was the supposed Jesus? He didn't perform miracles. Fine. He didn't die and rise again, fine. But if he existed at all he gave no sermons, had no followers, left no writings and had no official contact with authorities. No arrest record, no jail record, no mention as a rabble rouser. NOTHING. We have conclusive proof about people from that area who were religious leaders. Butchers and bakers and candlestick makers from the time of Jesus left some sort of mark on the world. They're mentioned, they have remains, they have offspring, they left writings and there were witnesses to their existence. But not Jesus. The guy in the bible is pure fiction. Not just the divinity, EVERYTHING.

Prove you exist. Wait, your logic is faulty, does that mean you're real or, a clever, if ever so annoying, bot?

 

[woolfe9998]

The various factions of Christianity have been searching for evidence of Jesus for 2000 years and have come up empty. Completely, utterly empty. The first official mention of Jesus was more than 50 years after he lived and it came from a person that claimed he was divinely inspired in a dream. IF and that's a GIANT IF, there was a person named Jesus he made absolutely zero mark on the world. Not a single person who could have met him or even heard him speak mentioned him in any way. Not one person. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

So by default, the biblical Jesus is fictional. Not even counting (or discounting) his farcical divinity, the biblical Jesus did not exist. He didn't do those things, he didn't say those things because no witnesses saw or heard any of them. Which begs the question, who exactly was the supposed Jesus? He didn't perform miracles. Fine. He didn't die and rise again, fine. But if he existed at all he gave no sermons, had no followers, left no writings and had no official contact with authorities. No arrest record, no jail record, no mention as a rabble rouser. NOTHING. We have conclusive proof about people from that area who were religious leaders. Butchers and bakers and candlestick makers from the time of Jesus left some sort of mark on the world. They're mentioned, they have remains, they have offspring, they left writings and there were witnesses to their existence. But not Jesus. The guy in the bible is pure fiction. Not just the divinity, EVERYTHING.

Yeah, I'm not much of an expert on this. I only know what I've read from time to time. And what I've read is that the bulk of secular historians who have studied the issue believe Jesus existed and was crucified by Pontius Pilate, but that little else in the biblical version can be verified. The writings of Tacitus (Roman) and Josephus (Jewish) are the primary sources. There's more detail in the link I provided.

I don't think Jesus had a major impact but he was evidently important enough to warrant mention by two non-Christian historians of the age. He was probably just one of numerous false messiahs of the age who had some kind of cult following. The main distinguishing feature is that his cult was subsequently very successful in spreading its beliefs.

 

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Jesus exists -- either as a fictional representation of a real person or as a fictional representation of a made-up person. The distinction can never be made incontrovertibly, and thus relevance of this distinction escapes me.

My own mental apparatus explored attacking my statement by pointing out that there are many representations of Jesus, thus the distinctions are important. But then again, is Donald Trump more than one person? Because there sure as hell are a lot of very different representations of him out there among supporters and detractors.

 

[Moonbeam]

Jesus exists -- either as a fictional representation of a real person or as a fictional representation of a made-up person. The distinction can never be made incontrovertibly, and thus relevance of this distinction escapes me.

My own mental apparatus explored attacking my statement by pointing out that there are many representations of Jesus, thus the distinctions are important. But then again, is Donald Trump more than one person? Because there sure as hell are a lot of very different representations of him out there among supporters and detractors.

I think everybody is three things, what they think they are, what others think they are, and what they really are. Since I also believe that what we really are isn't known to many, but WAS known by Jesus, our opinions of what we are and what others are are just opinions, unless, and this is important, there really is something that is referenced by who we really are. In that case, only somebody who knows who he or she is would understand what divinity is. For the rest of us then, there is belief or non-belief, but no real knowing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think there is some truth to the stereotype that men of meager equipment tend to buy flashy sports cars.

As ubiquitous as reaction formations are (the human behavior of exaggeratedly representing yourself as the opposite of what lies beneath), it baffles me how regularly people are surprised to see them or perplexed at their origin.

It seemed to me that the most Christian of the Presidential candidates on 2016 was Bernie, who was not a Christian.

 

[HTFOff]

Trump's America.

 

[Moonbeam]

It seemed to me that the most Christian of the Presidential candidates on 2016 was Bernie, who was not a Christian.

My view is that is so because Christianity is just a word that refers to the teachings propounded by an individual who lived a long time abo and who experienced an old awakening that has been experienced many times and will be experienced again, an awakening into a state of unity of being, the collapse of duality, the state of ego freedom. It represents the wisdom of one man who directed his teaching to awakening others in his time by directing attention to that time and place's dominant concealed prejudice, an assumption people had made that was central to their blindness, in this case, that adherence to law can get you into heaven, and heaven, of course, being that state of unified consciousness. This is why, I think, you see commonality among religious beliefs, at least those who spring from real awakening into unity. The less ego people have the more alike and more truth-like they become.

 

[pauldun170]

Only posting to see Jesus look up and wonder about the post above my own.
Wonder what he's thinking?

 

[pauldun170]

Jesus is now looking up his own pants....noticing that nasty bacon strip from all the goat cheese

 

[pauldun170]

Jesus just noticed Jesus sproutin wood looking up his own ass.

 

[pauldun170]

That guy on the left looks confused after looking at Jesus ass.
This picture is all sorts of messed up