Crowds Force Israel to Cancel Airstrikes

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You know, for a group that "values human life", the Israelis sure do seem to be pretty good at ending it. I mean, they make it sound like they do everything they can to minimize civilian casualties, yet somehow they manage to kill a fairly large number of civilians. In fact, they seem to be better at doing it than actual terrorists they are fighting.

Come back to the discussion when you know what you are talking about re: the Middle East. Sounds like you bought right into that famous Arab propaganda.

Israel has a HUGE PR problem...that much is obvious, but have you pro-Israel folks ever wondered why that is? Maybe it's because Israel (and you guys) rant and rave about a fight to the death were only one side can survive, and equate it to WWII and all that...but instead of two powerful nations going toe to toe, everyone sees a first-world nation with a huge military and every possible modern weapon beating the ever living crap out of a bunch of third-world people. I'm not saying Israel isn't justified in defending itself, obviously they are, but it doesn't LOOK like they are fighting for their lives, it looks like they are just looking for every excuse to bomb someone. I mean, are they REALLY in life or death danger from people who fire rockets at them and moderately injure one person? I bet the last series of laser guided bombings did a lot more than that...

They're not 'beating the crap' out of anyone, dimwit. If they were, you'd see thousands of casualties. They are choosing their targets carefully, and minimizing civilian casualties. Not even you can refute the fact that indiscriminate killing by one side and calculated, precision killing of actually known killers by the other side are not equivalent.

Obviously terrorism against Israel is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but I can't help but wonder if Israel might have more popular support if they acted with more restraint sometimes.

They just did. They always do. Read the OP. Argument over.

Clearly any show of restraint enrages the pro-Israeli folks here for some reason, but it helps take a lot of power out of the propaganda of the other side.

Not true at all. I'm glad Israel did not fire on the civilians gathered there by their leaders, it just goes to show who's the real enemy here.

And make no mistake, that's the real danger here. You people arguing that Israel (or the West in general) is going to lose some traditional physical conflict with the terrorists are clearly living in some sort of alternate reality...

They won't, because of the simple fact that they have a strong military. And yet you and others like you bemoan this fact. You are using circular logic. Your argument is inherently weak.

but what COULD happen is that Israel loses the war of popular opinion, so THEY end up looking like the terrorists. And it won't (just) be the fault of Muslim propaganda, Israel has done a lot of work to dig themselves into this hole they current inhabit...

It's happening already, and through no fault of Israel. The UN has always been to the Arab nations like Bud Selig is to the Red Sox. They each give their respective parties every chance to succeed in spite of their most heated rivals. Just look at the number of 'resolutions' against Israel, and the number against nations like Lebanon, the Palestinian government, Iran, Iraq. I believe it far exceeds each one. Now think: what country is more dangerous to international security, Iran or Israel? Iraq pre-war or Israel? Hezbollah and Hamas (now legitimate government affiliates) or Israel? And you have your answer. Israel has always lived with the UN standing against it. And you wonder why there is no peace in that region for the entirety of Israel's existence. The UN does not take the necessary steps to prevent terrorism in nations where it is known to exist. Israel has had a history of NOT wanting their neighbors' land, evidenced by the fact that they gave back 90-plus percent of the land captured in the 1967 war. If they really wanted that land they could have given back much, much less. No, they trade land for peace, because they want peace. But they don't get peace, because their neighbors don't want peace. Simple.

 

[postmortemIA]

If Israel wants to eliminate and kill the terrorist nation, they would need to kill at least 300 of them per day, i.e. 100K/yr. Considering the number of Arabs in region, they would need to make a genocide each day to eliminate the threat. Thus, logical conclusion is that small number of civil casualties do not benefit Israel, and they are not doing in deliberately. It is more that human life in religion of peace is worthless, but PR is much more important.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: smack Down
So is it ok for Iran to now nuke israel. They have warned israel that they plan too, so everyone should just leave right.

Seriously, I expected better than this.... besides, I don't think this is the first time you used this lame argument.

If you got nothing better, then keep it to yourself.

They want us dead too Dna. One does not need to carry a card to share the same ideology as our killers. In the war between western civilization and Jihad (militant Islam), we lost the war at home before a single shot was fired.

Too many sympathize with Jihad.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Both sides use terrorist tactics---its just that Israel is more organized about the whole thing. Just because one side can't afford uniforms does not disguise the fact
that both sides are terrorists. And in the grand scheme of thing---there is not a dimes worth of difference. Except Israel's leaders are better protected.

And now due to advancements in technology---Israel's civilians are being butchered also.---and before it was only the innocent Palistianian that paid the price.

one sided logic at its best!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: dna
Gotta love it how the Anti-Israel gang picked up this topic -- in fact, the BBC must've had an orgasm over the issue, given that it was the most important news item last night, on the front page, and all.

Do notice the hypocrisy in this matter: Israel actually takes care to warn the residents to evacuate, while the these terrorist put women and children on the roof; this is no different than the event two weeks ago, with women being used to smuggle out some militants. Nevertheless, we don't hear a single peep about such behavior from the gang -- they are too busy humming to themselves Mel Gibson's drunken mantra.

So is it ok for Iran to now nuke israel. They have warned israel that they plan too, so everyone should just leave right.

what an idiotic remark....
But coming from a Hamas sympathizer what would you expect....