Gamers do not know anything about computers.
Nice generalization. I thought Sp12 was being a little harsh, but then again, maybe he wasn't.
All they know is speed, speed, speed, speed. Nanoseconds one thing, but CAS is other.
Do you even understand what CAS latency is? It is simply the number of
cycles it takes for the DRAM to respond to the memory controllers request to access a particular column of memory (64-bits per channel). Since it is specified in cycles, is inherently dependent on the speed of the memory. I simply did the math so that they could be compared in the same units.
There is a minor improvement over DDR3-1600 compared to DDR3-1333. How minor you say? It is about 1% difference. This not enormous compared to other parts in the computer. I would say stick with DDR3-1333. Bandwidth as neglible impact on performance on the computer unless there is multiple processors like four or six. About six starts to penalize from lack of memory bandwidth. Though DDR3-1333 still provides plenty of bandwidth for a six core processor.
That was pretty much our entire point. CAS 9 DDR3 1600 is cheaper than the CAS 6 DDR3 1333 that you suggested.
For over clocking, it is best to set memory to asynchronous than be sorry if the memory controller burns out.
Neither the Nehalem, Deneb, or Thuban memory controllers can run in a truly free-floating asynchronous mode. There are a set number of FSB (BCLK for Nehalem) to DRAM ratios available.
Samsung hard drives have 5 eggs is from idiots. Sure people with other brands could come in and rate Western Digital or Hitachi higher, but they forgot about doing a review. Not everybody does reviews. The reason why I will not go with Samsung for hard drives is I question about their reliability and they have the worst performance on any benchmark. They also consume more resources compared to other brands like Seagate which has the highest latency. For a gaming rig, I will go with Western Digital Blue series or go with three to four Western Digital VelociRaptor on hardware RAID controller from 3ware or Areca.
Worst on any benchmark you say?
As for reliability, everybody is about the same. You'll get bad drives and good drives from all of the major manufacturers.
I had an LG drive. It just not reliable with any of my systems. It does not matter if I used VIA or Intel storage controller. It just does not work in a reliable way. I will not use LG drives or any of their products because they do not care for quality. I have an ASUS it has been working since 2000. Other drives that I have do not last as long. ASUS optical drives works, reliable, and it is sturdy. Plextor also cares for quality.
Anecdotes are not evidence. All of the $20 drives pretty much the same in terms of reliability. Regarding Plextor, they haven't cared about quality since the early 2000's. They don't even use their trademark metal gears anymore. The new Plextor drives are the same as anything else, but with a markup because of the "brand" name.
On a cheap with out losing too much performance GeForce GT460 is OK. I thought theplaidfad is making a high end build since theplaidfad is using i7 930. For a high end build a GeForce 480 will be better.
It's a GTX 460. And please read the whole thread instead of just the OP.
I know what I am talking about. I have built two computers and it is with quality parts. Sure I can build more, but why do I need to. Building using quality parts always will out last parts that are cheap. I had bought cheap parts and they only last about year to two years or they just do not work well.
Inexpensive does not mean low quality. Biostar is low quality, ECS is low quality, ExcelStor (anybody remember those?) were low quality. I don't think a single low-quality part has been mentioned in this thread.
Nope they do not. The difference in firmware makes it different. Raptors are not a stupid investment because they have unlimited writes. They provide low latency at a cheaper price. The good SSD still costs over $500 and wear-n-tear techniques are immature, so SSD are a waste.
You are just wrong here. You can get 60GB Sandforce drives for $160 that are some of the best performing drives on the market. As for longevity, with a standard workload, you're looking at around 7-10 years for an SSD before you even have to worry about the flash's lifetime.
Western Digital VelociRaptor requires more system resources to be used compared to other hard drives. This is the penalty for high throughput. People cares too much for throughput, so Western Digital answered with out thinking about the consequences. The consequence is penalty in system resources, but people do not know that until they look at the benchmarks or actually used it. The Raptor series is better than the VelociRaptor overall.
This is just gibberish that I can't even figure out what you're talking about. I can tell you that an old 36GB or 74GB Raptor is in no way, shape, or form better than a Velociraptor. (How much you wanna bet that he comes back and says "that because you're an idiot!"
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huh 1920...1680 gaming, I assume you are explaining about 3DMark. 3DMark is poor test for performance. You are better off doing the test within the game. I would go with GeForce GT480 and skip the 460.
GTX 460, GTX 480.
And he's talking about common resolutions, not 3DMark scores.
XMP from Intel is just marketing trying to sell based on your stupidity. The last two sentences are not BS. Almost all memory modules that I have seen is over clocked memory. This over clocked memory business has started since DDR2. Also there is over volting.
XMP is just an extension to SPD that allows for non-JEDEC standard configs.
As for the bolded, I have no idea what you're talking about. Overclocking is, by definition, running some component beyond rated speeds. If the memory is speced for DDR3 2000, then it will run at DDR3 2000 without overclocking
the memory. Since DDR3 2000 is not an JEDEC-approved speed, then XMP is often used to allow memory to be easily set to its rated speed. I agree that DDR3 1866/2000/etc are pretty much useless.
You are the troll or you do not know the meaning of a troll. I gave my opinion. Then you came in here and fight at me. What you did is trolling.
And your generalizations and namecalling are any better?
I critique. You do not like it tough. I critique it based on the components that it has. It contains some high end components and others are low end components that should be known. I made those low end components known. Then I recommend fixes for those low end to match for a high end build.
Your ideas of high-end and low-end do not coincide with reality I'm afraid.
EDIT: I'm not going to participate in this derailment of the OP's thread any longer. If anyone has concerns, feel free to PM me.
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