Critique my new speaker set..

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: Baked
Why not SVS tube sub?

Employee discount. :)

Fair enough. Definitive makes some kick ass speakers too.

its quite a deal even at retail prices, it says itll do 14Hz, you woudl need to spend a bunch more on a SVS to get one that would hit that low
 

AlienCraft

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WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.
 

FearoftheNight

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.

Layman's terms? I'm curious. Bose do job well? lol this thread is about to blow up. :p
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.

Layman's terms? I'm curious. Bose do job well? lol this thread is about to blow up. :p

only think bose does well is market to idiots
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.

Layman's terms? I'm curious. Bose do job well? lol this thread is about to blow up. :p

only think bose does well is market to idiots
LOL, you can think what you want, but at some point they ALL will do the job. The degree to which is a personal opinion, in much the way some like mayonaisse and some like mustard. The rest is simply ego gratification.
The ear, like the eye, can be fooled by extraeneous , unrelated factors. Shiny finishings, fancy wood laminates are the "bait" on the hook.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these speakers are AS good as a BOSE system, just that someone else might think their BOSE don't sound as bad as some would have you believe.

The overlying factor is quality of components and quality of manufacture that determine the retail price point VS Perceived Value by the end user. No matter what any technical paper says, or what some "audiophile"'s preferences are, 90 times out of 100, it's factors completely unrelated to the sound that determine how good it "works" in a given situation.
Like for example, if the wife thinks they're ugly or the "black Box" factor.
 

destrekor

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thats why we let distinguished audiophiles rate speaker performance.. no matter how they look, the audio should be judged based on the real audio performance.

its like, this is what I have: http://streemspeakers.com/ht-808.asp
took a chance with them, and even on my yamaha receiver (bundled with a $300 set).... they sound excellent.. but how good they really are? no clue, im not an audiophile, and no audiophile has reviewed them in any publication :(
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: destrekor
thats why we let distinguished audiophiles rate speaker performance.. no matter how they look, the audio should be judged based on the real audio performance.

its like, this is what I have: http://streemspeakers.com/ht-808.asp
took a chance with them, and even on my yamaha receiver (bundled with a $300 set).... they sound excellent.. but how good they really are? no clue, im not an audiophile, and no audiophile has reviewed them in any publication :(
BUt "audiophiles" have their own agenda as well. Given that the showrooms are usually light years away from a typical living room, both in terms of furnishings and acoustics.
Specifications, like statistics, can be manipulated to "prove" any point of view that one may espouse. This is why you should audition speakers in a variety of environs and with a range of program material. When we went shopping for near field monitors for Journey's recording studio, we took suggestions, listened in the showrooms, and then brought them back to the control room for REAL TIME evaluation. By doing this, we found that what worked in one room , didn't necessarily in another. Room design, nodes and signal path all play into the "sound" that comes out of the grill.
MOst of the time, the electronics aren't the weak link, the room is. Placement, wall material, amount of diffusion, reflections, both direct and indirect, floor covering (carpet w/ extra padding , cheap padding or hardwood ) all play a great deal into how something sounds, and ultimately, how they are perceived.

BTW, Control Room Monitors are usually tested in an anechoic chamber, which reduces room interaction to a minimum. Human perception will invariably be colored with personal prejudice and preferences. A real perception test would be conducted in a double blind condition where even the person giving the test doesn't know which is which.
To me evaluating speakers is like wine tasting. Only by actually engaging the product personally, will one be able to say "I like this and Don't like that." Because , sure as the sun moves across the sky, someone else may feel differently. And they will be as "right" as the opposing opinion.

Remember, no one ever tries to sell you something that's NOT in their showroom. So they aren't looking out for you or trying to make sure you're happy, they're trying to fund that college education for THEIR kids or their vacation in Tahiti.

 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.

Layman's terms? I'm curious. Bose do job well? lol this thread is about to blow up. :p

only think bose does well is market to idiots
LOL, you can think what you want, but at some point they ALL will do the job. The degree to which is a personal opinion, in much the way some like mayonaisse and some like mustard. The rest is simply ego gratification.
The ear, like the eye, can be fooled by extraeneous , unrelated factors. Shiny finishings, fancy wood laminates are the "bait" on the hook.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these speakers are AS good as a BOSE system, just that someone else might think their BOSE don't sound as bad as some would have you believe.

The overlying factor is quality of components and quality of manufacture that determine the retail price point VS Perceived Value by the end user. No matter what any technical paper says, or what some "audiophile"'s preferences are, 90 times out of 100, it's factors completely unrelated to the sound that determine how good it "works" in a given situation.
Like for example, if the wife thinks they're ugly or the "black Box" factor.

i hope you get flamed into oblivion
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.

Layman's terms? I'm curious. Bose do job well? lol this thread is about to blow up. :p

only think bose does well is market to idiots
LOL, you can think what you want, but at some point they ALL will do the job. The degree to which is a personal opinion, in much the way some like mayonaisse and some like mustard. The rest is simply ego gratification.
The ear, like the eye, can be fooled by extraeneous , unrelated factors. Shiny finishings, fancy wood laminates are the "bait" on the hook.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these speakers are AS good as a BOSE system, just that someone else might think their BOSE don't sound as bad as some would have you believe.

The overlying factor is quality of components and quality of manufacture that determine the retail price point VS Perceived Value by the end user. No matter what any technical paper says, or what some "audiophile"'s preferences are, 90 times out of 100, it's factors completely unrelated to the sound that determine how good it "works" in a given situation.
Like for example, if the wife thinks they're ugly or the "black Box" factor.

i hope you get flamed into oblivion
Well, that isn't possible, because may I remind you, flaming is only just stuff on the internet posted by idiots in their underwear, popping pimples while they jack off to pr0n , because they either can not or will not think in a critical fashion.
What I am saying is that EVERY SPEAKER SYSTEM is as good as another, depending on it's end use, the environment it's in and the electronics driving it.
I can make a front end signal path that will make those Def. Techs sound like crap, just as quickly as I can make the BOSE sound like Angels singing. The reverse is also true. What people forget is that a slaesmans job is to get you to disregard your own perceptions and buy into what it is he's laying down, so that he can pick up your money at the end of his spiel. The other point i'm trying to make is that perception is colored by aspects outside the "control" of anyone. It's like trying to describe flavors to someone who has no taste buds.
Lots of people are easily distracted by bright shiny objects, yet think they are grounded in "reality". Reality is what you believe to be true. But it bears no influence on another persons perception of "reality"
Think for a moment of how a person hears and the various effects that daily living can have, as well as genetic differences (Men hear high frequencies less than women and thus tend to overcompensate to the irritation of women everywhere) Has to do with the shape of the pinnae of the ear and propagation of the species from ancient history, environmental factors, (Men have a low frequency dip in response , typically in the left ear, from driving with the windows rolled down far more than women).
So, while I have a more broad and open point of view about this subject, anyone who says , in blanket fashion, "Brand A is Crap and Brand Z is God - Like", is working from a narrow set of parameters, and has not approached the comparison in a scientific and balanced manner.
But of course, your perception, and mileage, may vary. But your POV is not the be all of existance. Neither is mine, but then I'm not trying to sell anyone anything, other than a reasoned reply to my point of view.

 

Baked

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
WOW !
It's funny to see line radiators making such a comeback in "technology".
The quality of smaller transducers has really jumped in the 30 years since I've been doing sound.
Lighter, stiffer cone materials has really enabled manufacturers to get remarkable results...... Using the same fundamental theories that enables BOSE to do the job as well.

Layman's terms? I'm curious. Bose do job well? lol this thread is about to blow up. :p

only think bose does well is market to idiots
LOL, you can think what you want, but at some point they ALL will do the job. The degree to which is a personal opinion, in much the way some like mayonaisse and some like mustard. The rest is simply ego gratification.
The ear, like the eye, can be fooled by extraeneous , unrelated factors. Shiny finishings, fancy wood laminates are the "bait" on the hook.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these speakers are AS good as a BOSE system, just that someone else might think their BOSE don't sound as bad as some would have you believe.

The overlying factor is quality of components and quality of manufacture that determine the retail price point VS Perceived Value by the end user. No matter what any technical paper says, or what some "audiophile"'s preferences are, 90 times out of 100, it's factors completely unrelated to the sound that determine how good it "works" in a given situation.
Like for example, if the wife thinks they're ugly or the "black Box" factor.

i hope you get flamed into oblivion

/ignore would be a better option I'd think.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: Baked

/ignore would be a better option I'd think.
Well you're welcome to try, but like a car wreck, or a hot chick when you're with your GF, you can't help but look and check it out. Because, , most of the time, what I say is backed up by years of experince and having my own youthful arrogance smacked down in flames. Oh, I know, you're the younger generation and you know it all, but really what you THINK you know, and what you ACTUALLY know hasn't been tested by you yet.

Anyone who thinks their perception of any event is the same as another person's hasn't awakened to what life is yet. Just ask Bradruth if eyewitness testimony of a crime isn't subject to disqualifing error.