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Creepiest keyboard ever

Movement gizmo is pure gimmickry.

They did lift the key sizing and spacing from the MS Ergo 4000, so that's its only good point.

Remove the gizmo gimmick, price it at $50 and I'll be in line to buy.
 
I have used ergonomic keyboards rather exclusively on my home pc for probably since they came out, this one just doesn't appeal to me.

btw using ergo at home and regular at work sucks, i really need to get an ergo for work.
 
bfdd said:
I have used ergonomic keyboards rather exclusively on my home pc for probably since they came out, this one just doesn't appeal to me.

btw using ergo at home and regular at work sucks, i really need to get an ergo for work.
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What ergo keyboards do you like?
 
0roo0roo said:
I use the ms ergo splitty, but i dunno about this moving thing, needs some hard science.
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MS Ergos were the best choice last I looked. I'm using a Natural Ergo 4000 right now.

When I was working in an office, I couldn't get traction in buying an ergo keyboard... so I just brought one in from home (after the IT guy told me he couldn't care less about it). It greatly improved things for me 😛
 
i use the 4k as well
previous models were a bit more robust in certain ways, like letter wear and stuff, but i do like the multimedia key locations near the thumbs. the bad is that the multimedia and such keys at the top are all the same shape, and no custom binds for the my favorites section. space bar also took a while to get used to, it only allows narrow type of press, from the front.
 
Throckmorton said:
And yet the keys are still staggered. Why is it so hard to align the damn keys?
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You mean you want your letter keys to be like a big numpad? 😵

If so, how could anyone comfortably position their hands parallel to eachother on a keyboard so up/down finger movements go straight instead of angled?
 
TheUnk said:
You mean you want your letter keys to be like a big numpad? 😵

If so, how could anyone comfortably position their hands parallel to eachother on a keyboard so up/down finger movements go straight instead of angled?
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Look at your keyboard. All the keys are on the same diagonal slant, for both hands. That staggered design was invented because of the internal mechanics of a typewriter.
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The best is to have the keys aligned with finger movement, and second best is to have both hands straight up and down.

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Throckmorton said:
Look at your keyboard. All the keys are on the same diagonal slant, for both hands. That staggered design was invented because of the internal mechanics of a typewriter.
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True, but you can still move your fingers straight on both hands to hit upper/lower keys.

Throckmorton said:
The best is to have the keys aligned with finger movement, and second best is to have both hands straight up and down.

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This one makes sense since the sections are already angled.

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This one is just awful design. Who would ever rest their hands in such a way..
 
Throckmorton said:
The best is to have the keys aligned with finger movement, and second best is to have both hands straight up and down.
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Completely and totally incorrect (at least for ergo keyboards). Hands at rest on my MS Natural 4000, if I move my finger from row to row, the way the hands rest on the keyboard the fingers sweep in a semi-circular pattern, making reaching key to key far more natural. Not to mention the staggered rows make reaching the adjacent keys on the upper and lower rows FAR easier for the fingers that are responsible for utilizing more than one key on a given row (mainly index).

Aligning your hands aligned straight up and down... heh, there's a reason ergo keyboards exist in the first place. God forbid if I ever have to use a keyboard like that. I'd be in pain within minutes.
 
SunnyD said:
Completely and totally incorrect (at least for ergo keyboards). Hands at rest on my MS Natural 4000, if I move my finger from row to row, the way the hands rest on the keyboard the fingers sweep in a semi-circular pattern, making reaching key to key far more natural. Not to mention the staggered rows make reaching the adjacent keys on the upper and lower rows FAR easier for the fingers that are responsible for utilizing more than one key on a given row (mainly index).

Aligning your hands aligned straight up and down... heh, there's a reason ergo keyboards exist in the first place. God forbid if I ever have to use a keyboard like that. I'd be in pain within minutes.
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Dude... Look at that Darwin Smartboard I posted. That layout is ideal. It matches your finger movements. I've had both the Darwin and the Typematrix, and both are a huge improvement over standard keyboards.

The arbitrary topleft->bottomright slant is not ergonomic in any way. Staggering the rows doesn't help you reach the different rows at all. Look at your B key. Your index finger has to move nearly 2" to reach it. And now look at the Y. Same thing. And both movements are awkward and require your whole hand to shift.

The slant is purely a vestige of typewriter days. In the early days of computers, engineers wanted to make the layout a simple grid, but secretaries and the like demanded that keyboards match the typewriters they were used to.

Look at the diagrams from http://www.trulyergonomic.com/

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yea cept when i sweep my fingers from the tilted position of the 4k's rest they do basically match the staggered pattern of the kb already. it isn't that big a deal..
 
Look at the diagram of the MS Natural 4000 though. Even though your hand is angled, the staggering of the keys makes your left hand fingers move straight up and down, actually slanted to the left slightly. I've had a Natural too, and trust me, the Darwin was leaps and bounds ahead.
 
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I use one of these at work and one at home, and I'm not sure I'll ever be using anything else.

Used to use the MS ergo 4000, but after these, not even close.

Granted, theyre like 200-300 bucks, but still. For someone with hand problems, these are a godsend.
 
SunnyD said:
God forbid if I ever have to use a keyboard like that. I'd be in pain within minutes.
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You sound like an old woman. You're getting your butt kicked by a keyboard....hahahah


Nothing personal man but you just sound like such a nerdy little wuss saying this stuff, it's just funny.
 
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