Creative cuts life support for 3DLabs
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that's sad, at work we have quite a few realizm gfx cards and they work admirably, if a bit expensive. I was always a supporter of the underdog and it's sad to see the underdog that actually competes, and competes well to scuttle out of the field when it still has so many strengths.
Sadly, this was an inevitable outcome from the day Creative got their filthy claws on 3DLabs.
One positive outcome may well be that nVIDIA and ATi gain some more talented engineers out of this, since I doubt many of 3DLabs' engineers are going to be delighted by going from Realizm cards to mobile phone chips.
One positive outcome may well be that nVIDIA and ATi gain some more talented engineers out of this, since I doubt many of 3DLabs' engineers are going to be delighted by going from Realizm cards to mobile phone chips.
Why did creative buy out Aureal without using their assets? Creative are a bunch of pricks, and if ever a company deserved to go under it's them.
yup. Creative bougt out Aureal and shelved A3D2 which is still as good if not better than EAX3. They cant go under though, they have no competitors.
It would be nice if nVidia would make a serious effort into audio- they have proven they can go toe to toe with ease if they want. That could have something to do with CL's acquiring 3DLabs- offer nVidia their exit from workstation parts if nV remains out of the APU market(not that something like that would ever be made public).
true and true
and hopefully nVidia will provide competition to Creative . . . whatever happened to SoundStorm?
maybe Ben has it right . . .
. . . a nVidia "deal" with Creative . . . nVidia pulls out of Audio and in return loses Realizm as a competitor in the Workstation marketplace. . . . that really is acreative trade.
:Q
5150Joker
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Actually Creative has some serious competition from integrated HD sound on motherboards. More and more people are opting to use integrated solutions rather than buying a Creative card or any other for that matter.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
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no
id will continue to program their engines and it will continue on . . . despite M$' best efforts to kill it
Vista won't run Ogl games very well
:Q
[perhaps another reason to keep XP]
No, i can only name 2 out of ALOT CAD/DCC programs that use DirectX, 99% of them use OpenGL.
The only two i can name are 3dsmax(DCC) and Alibra(CAD), every program i use for work uses only OpenGL... i wonder if microsoft is going to force all of them to switch to DirectX hearing that Vista will only use a DirectX Layer for OpenGL... (that sounds BAD very BAD), not to mention all those companys going to have to rewrite their API calls, nope i don't see that happening nicely, OpenGL will stay for some time now but maybe not in games.
Wow, I would say boycott Creative, but: a)boycotts are stupid, ineffective, b)the last sound card I bought was an Aureal one, and will probably be the last for some time (I wonder where it's at?)
Anyways, I really like OpenGL, even if I do have a 9600XT. It just seemed like a neat way to do things. Plus, propietary software rubs me the wrong way.
Anyways, I really like OpenGL, even if I do have a 9600XT. It just seemed like a neat way to do things. Plus, propietary software rubs me the wrong way.
I had nothing but problems with the 3D Labs cards, most of which seemed to be driver related.
Still though, sad to see the company go.
-D'oh!
Still though, sad to see the company go.
-D'oh!
As far as I know they used their assets, this isn't a creative - Aureal or Nvidia- 3dFX deal, its more like a Compaq - DEC or SGI - Cray deal. When Creative stopped making Nvidia based video cards they Purchased 3Dlabs to stay in the professional market and to possibly head back into the gaming market if 3dlabs ever made a cost effective chip that had enough performance to play with the big boys. But just like DEC and Cray the cost for devlopment kept rising and purchases kept getting lower to the point where you have to say enough is enough. But unlike them Creative is keeping it alive even if they are firing alot of people so their is always a chance for them to jump back up to atleast desktops.
Creative has done alot of bad things in their time but I do not feel as though this is one of them.
Don't know what the death of 3d labs has got to do with the death of open GL? GL is supported and updated by both nvidia and ati - chances are all the new graphics card features end up in GL first as it's easy to add extensions to that, where as direct-X is dependent on a new release from MS.
As long as there is more then windows around (e.g. mac's, unix workstations, ps3) direct X (which is windows only) can't take over. If you've got to write an app that has to run on more then windows (such as most of those engineering apps which also run on unix) OGL is your choice.
As long as there is more then windows around (e.g. mac's, unix workstations, ps3) direct X (which is windows only) can't take over. If you've got to write an app that has to run on more then windows (such as most of those engineering apps which also run on unix) OGL is your choice.
rbV5
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Applications can use a vendor ICD for OpenGL just like now with Windows. Games and applications won't run any different on Vista than XP currently using a vendor supplied ICD. They won't be able to advantage some Vista GUI elements(AFAIK) unless they run under MS ICD, but I doubt the user will care when they're in a full screen OpenGL application or game.Originally posted by: apoppin
do you have any links to this?
i thought Vista used a DX layer to run Ogl.
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Creative labs has changed a good deal in the area of drivers....
Full (non upgrade) drivers with no bloat
unless you call this bloat:
Without divulging into specifics, Creative has always had a minority stake into 3dlabs, whose main assets were in its IP. Intel even licensed some of their design into the IGP chips, the highest volume graphics chips sold in the world. With the acquisition of Wildcat line, it was thought that although they can't touch the ATIs and nVidias of the world when it comes to consumer graphics, they would at least be competitive in the professional workstation graphics space. But nVidia did a great job leveraging and proliferating the geforce cores upstream to the Quaddro line. 3Dlabs does have a great engineering department (highly gifted and talented especially in the opengl space), but it could not compete in the cut throat product cycles and without any leverage in volumes that the consumer market cards could afford, it was difficult to be competitive.
Note: these views were of my own and not tied to any present or previous employers.
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