Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong

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Paratus

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She turned me into a newt!

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I got better.
 

bignateyk

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lol, yeah, like this guy would actually accept any "proof" to the contrary. He'd just come up with some BS retort.
 

grrl

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Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo believes unequivocally that the Bible's book of Genesis is a literal account of our universe's origin. Standing firmly behind his convictions, which he believes can be scientifically demonstrated,.... "[Evolutionists] are not stupid people," Mastropaolo told The Guardian. "They are bright, but they are bright enough to know there is no scientific evidence they can give in a mini-trial."

And what "evidence" could he possibly offer in support of creationism?
 

Fritzo

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lol, yeah, like this guy would actually accept any "proof" to the contrary. He'd just come up with some BS retort.

They would need to use an impartial judge to do this properly, and "hearsay" would not be allowed. This would prevent him from saying "God told me that..." or twisting interpretations from the bible.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I can prove (with no uncertainty) that a largest prime number does not exist. Will I be collecting my million in a lump sum or in installments.

Here it is right now.

ONE MILLION! :D

Can you prove that our universe was not replaced by one which has different laws such that your contention is valid now but wasn't when I make that comment?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'll offer $10K to the first person to prove Star Wars wasn't real.

Same thing right?

There is a hypothesis which suggests that all possible universes exist. If one accepts that as a potential then "somewhere" it may have happened and if so it's "real"

The point I'm trying to make is that "proof" will be subject to moving goal posts. One can make the requirement impossible.
 

Andy22

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Just a question for agnostics. If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate? What is the general answer on that question from agnostics. I am not looking to argue the point and am really just curious as to their thoughts behind that.
 

Juddog

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Just a question for agnostics. If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate? What is the general answer on that question from agnostics. I am not looking to argue the point and am really just curious as to their thoughts behind that.

Let me re-write it for you so that you can understand multiple viewpoints.

"If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

"If there was no Flying Spaghetti Monster then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

"If there was no magical fairy unicorns with twinkling eyes then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

"If there were no leprechauns then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

All of the above sentences are exactly the same - you're asking two impossible things:

* To prove a negative (e.g. prove to me that the easter bunny doesn't exist)
* To prove how something happened billions of years before humans existed

In essence, the very question itself is flawed.
 

Andy22

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Let me re-write it for you so that you can understand multiple viewpoints.

"If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

"If there was no Flying Spaghetti Monster then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

"If there was no magical fairy unicorns with twinkling eyes then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

"If there were no leprechauns then how did the matter of our universe originate?"

All of the above sentences are exactly the same - you're asking two impossible things:

* To prove a negative (e.g. prove to me that the easter bunny doesn't exist)
* To prove how something happened billions of years before humans existed

In essence, the very question itself is flawed.

Nowhere in my post did I ask agnostics to prove a negative. I asked for their theory behind how the mass from which our universe is made came into existence. As to your other statements...if you can show me a book comprised of first hand accounts of fairies and unicorns I'd be open to that possibility. I asked a serious question. If you can't answer beyond your non sense then please don't reply. Leave it for the others that can answer with more intelligence.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Can you prove that our universe was not replaced by one which has different laws such that your contention is valid now but wasn't when I make that comment?

Strictly speaking, all logical theorems are necessarily true. Necessary truths are those that hold in all possible universes.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Just a question for agnostics. If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate? What is the general answer on that question from agnostics. I am not looking to argue the point and am really just curious as to their thoughts behind that.

What is your evidence that "the matter of our universe" originated? Do you know what the first law of thermodynamics is?
 

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Just a question for agnostics. If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate? What is the general answer on that question from agnostics. I am not looking to argue the point and am really just curious as to their thoughts behind that.

I don't know.

That is not me saying that I don't know the agnostic position, that is me simply saying, as an atheist, that there is no convincing explanation for it at this time to my knowledge.

Look at how primitive our understanding of so many things was 100 years ago, and you may realize our current understanding of things is primitive as well. I feel no need to 'know' an explanation to everything.
 

Juddog

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Nowhere in my post did I ask agnostics to prove a negative. I asked for their theory behind how the mass from which our universe is made came into existence. As to your other statements...if you can show me a book comprised of first hand accounts of fairies and unicorns I'd be open to that possibility. I asked a serious question. If you can't answer beyond your non sense then please don't reply. Leave it for the others that can answer with more intelligence.

My answer was serious. I have a book at home that has first hands accounts of the Norse mythos, where a giant was slain and it's body became the Earth. Does that mean Odin was real? Where did the lightning come from, if not from Thor's hammer?
 

Fritzo

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Just a question for agnostics. If there is no God then how did the matter of our universe originate? What is the general answer on that question from agnostics. I am not looking to argue the point and am really just curious as to their thoughts behind that.

The matter in our universe originated from the big bang. Building blocks of particles were created from the energy release tiny fractions of a second after the big bang occurred. There were equal amounts of particles and antiparticles, but for some reason there was a tiny fraction more particles. Most of the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other, but the small amount that survived eventually interacted together and formed hydrogen atoms.

These hydrogen atoms clumped together (in a similar way dust bunnies under your bed are formed) until they became so massive, the internal pressure sparked nuclear fusion...becoming the first stars.

The fusion in these stars created a byproduct of helium. When a star runs out of it's hydrogen fuel, it starts creating more elements up the periodic table until it reaches iron. Once a star's core starts producing iron, it can no longer maintain fusion and it will go nova.

Some massive stars violently explode and become supernovas. Supernovas are so incredibly energetic that they smash existing elements into each other to make heavy elements. Supernovas produce most of the universe's supply of elements that appear after iron on the periodic table...as Carl Sagan put it "We're all star stuff." That's where matter comes from.

The problem with God is he is used to explain what we can't explain...but we keep discovering explanations for things. At this point, we can actually directly see the universe about 300,000 years after its formation, and we have mathmatical models that simulate its formation to a few trillionths of a second after its formation.

What we can not say is "What caused the big bang." We have some ideas, but we may never be able to know for sure as it would require information from outside of our universe to be brought in...and we're not even sure that's possible. So, if you want to believe in creationism, you can currently say "God created the big bang, he created physics, and we're the direct result of that" and be as correct and valid as any other person.
 
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Andy22

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My answer was serious. I have a book at home that has first hands accounts of the Norse mythos, where a giant was slain and it's body became the Earth. Does that mean Odin was real? Where did the lightning come from, if not from Thor's hammer?

What book? When was it written? Who was the author?
 

steve wilson

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This is an argument that can never be won by either side...yet people will still argue about it. I think that is more interesting than anything else.
 

Juddog

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What book? When was it written? Who was the author?

Nobody knows who created the Nordic mythos, as they were passed down via word of mouth for generations. In one village, you might have Odin as son of Thor, in another you'd have Thor being the son of Odin.