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imported_tss4

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I'm shocked to see that there is a school district in Wisconsin that apparently will be teaching creationalism as an alternative to evolution. But what's more shocking is that in the online cnn poll 1/3 of the people that it was a good idea.

How can so many people be for placing religion in school? It's so innapropriate since so many people are not christian. And we're also suppose to seperate church and state.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCAT....schools.ap/index.html
 
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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: tss4
I'm shocked to see that there is a school district in Wisconsin that apparently will be teaching creationalism as an alternative to evolution. But what's more shocking is that in the online cnn poll 1/3 of the people that it was a good idea.

How can so many people be for placing religion in school? It's so innapropriate since so many people are not christian. And we're also suppose to seperate church and state.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCAT....schools.ap/index.html
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Another one that hasn't gotten the memo. The U.S. is now a Theocracy.

Better get used to it.


 
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joshw10

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Also really funny how they're calling creationism a "scientific theory"

LOL


If they're going to teach it I hope it's in History class.
 
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Tylanner

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Sounds like a cry for attention from a town with a little more than a thousand people.

Probably a town built around a church, but with 6-7 bars no doubt :)
 
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[/quote]"Insisting that teachers teach alternative theories of origin in biology classes takes time away from real learning, confuses some students and is a misuse of limited class time and public funds," said Don Waller, a botanist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.[/quote]

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Originally posted by: tss4
I'm shocked to see that there is a school district in Wisconsin that apparently will be teaching creationalism as an alternative to evolution. But what's more shocking is that in the online cnn poll 1/3 of the people that it was a good idea.

How can so many people be for placing religion in school? It's so innapropriate since so many people are not christian. And we're also suppose to seperate church and state.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCAT....schools.ap/index.html
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because this country gets dumber and stupider every day ! Short, precise answer.
 
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imported_tss4

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Well, its reassuring that I haven't gotten a hundred replies in this thread about why they should be teaching creationalism.
 
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Originally posted by: joshw10
Also really funny how they're calling creationism a "scientific theory"

LOL


If they're going to teach it I hope it's in History class.
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:thumbsup: It should be thought of in the same light as the other 1000 ones. The reason we teach evolution isn't becuase it is true (How do we know history is true), but because everyone else expects you to know it.
 
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This is the sort of thing that probably would have annoyed me a while ago, but I've kind of let go.

Those parts of the US are pretty much dumbing down it's biology knowledge base. If fundies eventually figure out how to stamp out evolution in public schools, public school grads won't know what evolution is. Without this foundation, things like evolving diseases (AIDS, SARS, antibiotic resistant bacteria, etc.) don't make sense. And without new talent with working knowledge of biology, pharmacuetical and biotech companies in the US are at a serious disadvantage in the international market.

An example of this is stem cell research. Thanks to the US freeze on stem cell research, European research in this field is going to pass us if they hasn't already. Next generation medical treatments and products will then be developed by other countries first, and thus they reap the rewards and profits.

It's kind of sad, the US was once the world leader in science, technology and research. It's what powered our last economic boom. But at this point in time, the US is losing it's lead. Already in many scientific journals, Americans don't produce the majority of the new papers anymore. We reap what we sow. The next time there is a technology driven economic boom, the US may very well be left out.

 
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halik

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Originally posted by: tss4
I'm shocked to see that there is a school district in Wisconsin that apparently will be teaching creationalism as an alternative to evolution. But what's more shocking is that in the online cnn poll 1/3 of the people that it was a good idea.

How can so many people be for placing religion in school? It's so innapropriate since so many people are not christian. And we're also suppose to seperate church and state.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCAT....schools.ap/index.html
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scary
 
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chess9

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Welcome to BushWorld.

Don't worry, the fundies will be out with their apologies for creation "science" and creationism. They have to go to church first.

What's "Creationalism"?

-Robert
 
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Aegeon

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Originally posted by: OS
An example of this is stem cell research. Thanks to the US freeze on stem cell research, European research in this field is going to pass us if they hasn't already. Next generation medical treatments and products will then be developed by other countries first, and thus they reap the rewards and profits.
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The good news on Stem Cell Research is that with California's new 6 billion dollar ballot measure passing, Bush has almost completely lost on this issue. The Federal Government's decision not to fund stem cell research becomes mostly irrelevant. States are able to fund this research on their own and simply bypass the National Institute of Health. There is also a strong possibility that other states such as Massachusetts will fund stem cell research within a couple years, particularly when they start losing biomedical researchers and companies that head to California. This doesn't mean that Bush and the Christian Conservatives policies towards biological research isn't a problem, but it isn't as bad as it seems.
 
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Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: OS
An example of this is stem cell research. Thanks to the US freeze on stem cell research, European research in this field is going to pass us if they hasn't already. Next generation medical treatments and products will then be developed by other countries first, and thus they reap the rewards and profits.
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The good news on Stem Cell Research is that with California's new 6 billion dollar ballot measure passing, Bush has almost completely lost on this issue. The Federal Government's decision not to fund stem cell research becomes mostly irrelevant. States are able to fund this research on their own and simply bypass the National Institute of Health. There is also a strong possibility that other states such as Massachusetts will fund stem cell research within a couple years, particularly when they start losing biomedical researchers and companies that head to California. This doesn't mean that Bush and the Christian Conservatives policies towards biological research isn't a problem, but it isn't as bad as it seems.
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The federal government will then pull tricks like passing a law (or otherwise enforcing a regulation) that in order to receive federal highway funds, stem cell research must not be publicly funded.

Welcome to Jesusland.
 
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Aegeon

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The federal government will then pull tricks like passing a law (or otherwise enforcing a regulation) that in order to receive federal highway funds, stem cell research must not be publicly funded.

Welcome to Jesusland.
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Highly doubtful. The beauty of the job being taken on by the states is that it then becomes a states rights issue! In other words the Republicans runs right smack into rejecting their own ideology if they take such an action against California. There are also Republican Senators and members of the house from the "blue states" that have to worry about their own re-election relatively soon and may have considerable concerns about taking a position that is so strongly against stem cell research and makes it look like they are in the pockets of religious fanatics to voters.
 
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It should be taught in Mythology right along side with the Greek, Scandinavian, Egyptian and Roman Mythology. This is just another case of the Evangelist Whackos trying to force their Mythical Beliefs on others.
 
IHateMyJob2004

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It should be taught in Mythology right along side with the Greek, Scandinavian, Egyptian and Roman Mythology. This is just another case of the Evangelist Whackos trying to force their Mythical Beliefs on others.
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AGREE!!! This is the most logical statement I have ever heard on the topic :thumbsup:
 
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cquark

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Those parts of the US are pretty much dumbing down it's biology knowledge base. If fundies eventually figure out how to stamp out evolution in public schools, public school grads won't know what evolution is.
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The scary thing is that we're already at this point, due to watering down of the biology curriculum so as not to offend the creationists. I'm a university professor and scientist, though not a biologist, and almost none of my students understand what evolution means. They're very focused on mutation instead of selection and think it happens to individuals, not populations, so their picture of evolution is that one day archaeopteryx lays a turkey egg and that's how new species arise.
 
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Dedpuhl

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Another one that hasn't gotten the memo. The U.S. is now a Theocracy.

Better get used to it.
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OH TEH NOEEEEEEES!! The God Squad on the left; Holy Rollers on the right!!!! WHAT DO I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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