dug777
Lifer
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1349697433246487433&q=mig-29
That is some crazy manouverability :Q
That is some crazy manouverability :Q
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Crazy vid of a MiG-29 at an airshow!
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IHAVEAQUESTION
Golden Member
It looks like the new MIGs have the same engine technology as the F-22 so they can change direction so freely. Awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWWPVjA3juQ
one of my favorite, the Sukhoi SU-34 Fullback. very cool looking.
I'm currently in the process of building a scale RC twin ducted fan SU-34...just gotta get the weight down a bit so it will handle better.
one of my favorite, the Sukhoi SU-34 Fullback. very cool looking.
I'm currently in the process of building a scale RC twin ducted fan SU-34...just gotta get the weight down a bit so it will handle better.
SophalotJack
Banned
Yeah, the commies definitely made the best military aircraft in their prime (and still do to a limited extent).
But we won't acknowledge that over here.
But we won't acknowledge that over here.
Suspicious-Teach8788
Lifer
Su 35s can kick an F-15's butt anyday. Seriously. But yes, training is one of the problems in other airforces.
SophalotJack
Banned
SamurAchzar
Platinum Member
In the age of air-to-air missiles that can take down an aircraft from dozens of miles away, the maneuverability and pilot ability have less implications than in the days of WWII, where you took down the enemy by machine gun.
Add to that short range air-air missiles like, for example, the Python 5 that can be launched backwards against a target and you'll see why electronics play a larger role than ever.
Add to that short range air-air missiles like, for example, the Python 5 that can be launched backwards against a target and you'll see why electronics play a larger role than ever.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
I :heart: Zangief.
The United States has more ground research than any other country in the world, thus producing planes with lethality that will rip open any enemy aircraft that hits the skies.
During Desert Storm, the MiG's, even if they had the best pilots onboard, could have compared to the jets that the U.S. used to combat air-to-air strikes, in case the Iraqis decided to lift anything off the ground. But because of advanced support like radars and satellites, the MiG's were dead birds without question. You can say they were equally superior in design to U.S. jet fighters at the time, be it an even battle with the MiG and U.S. planes if Iraq had as much networked support like the U.S. led coalition forces during the Gulf War, numbers to say would be way off anyway.
Americans don't have to surrender their pride for things they have better. During the Cold War, they even fought with their kitchen spatulas to prove which nation had better food and cooks. More nuclear fuels to produce more nuclear weapons. More educated scientists to fill in the pay-roll funds of the highly advanced and often times, private underground nuclear programs that you will probably never find out unless you do your own research on. A blooming economy? The United States until it becomes a destroyed Rome, will never bow to any nation, tounge, or kindred.
Even if whole societies have decayed in the United States, the people still stand for over two hundred years. The most fastest developing nation in history to date - there will be a time when history repeats itself.
You'll know, because of the movies produced in Hollywood decades during and after the Cold War, John Rambo and his endeavoring quest against the Russians, the Vietnamese, the other outside forces. The newspaper articles written in that time upto the 70's, 80's and 90's, and even to this day, rich propaganda to make the U.S. sound better than Russia, France, China, whatever you wanted to hear about the nation having its pride lifted in every possible direction, you heard it.
Gotta feed the military. 48% is the number, out of the records pulled from every nation, the United States has nearly half the world in their countenance with military production on intense leverage, with Japan, UK, and China being next in lead; all four in lead not even making up half of what the United States has with military power.
If you look deep into the Bush innauguaration of 2001, you'll notice that he acknowledges his own father firsthand before he really puts his mouth on Clinton, who was president at the time. It's no doubt you know he is following his father's footsteps. Even school-related material states the same, summarizing the "foot steps" note as one of Bush's primary decision making efforts.
The United States does whatever it feels like doing. If they feel like paying their own debts to the U.N., so what. Other nations need to pay up with the U.N. fees, or they will have little or no U.N. support in the future.
Believe what you want to hear, the videos are still amazing...
ForumMaster
Diamond Member
wonder who would win if the US and Israeli Air Forces would fight against ech other. Israel does make significant improvments too all weapons that we recieve from the US. it would be an interesting battle.
it doesnt compare... the MiG29 is getting very very old these days.. it was comparable to the F-15 and the 16 and the orginal F/A-18 but agaisnt Superhornets and F22s and latest 16s it doesnt stand a chance... the design and development has virtually halted since the fall of the USSR.
where we continue to inovate and advance our tech.
The Su-27 33 and 34 are great aircraft as well but suffer from the same problems.. old tech vs new tech...
Good A/C also requires good pilots and support/logistics.
Excellent demostration of that fact is when a P3 can take out a Mig.
Enough said
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Excellent demostration of that fact is when a P3 can take out a Mig.
Enough said
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dug777
Lifer
That doesn't seem to be the prevailing opinion in most of the reading i've done 😉
And how is it old tech, and halted design & development when there's a current model being produced and sold, the MiG-35? EDIT: as well as new Sukhois (35, 37, 47) (Hmm, not on their website, but listed on wiki & elsewhere...)
I never saw the point. Sweet, so you can hover your plane vertically, and even fly backwards. How does that help against the sidewinder coming towards you?
Years ago jets could 'manouver' such that the limiting factor was the squishy pilot inside. Since they still have mr squishy inside, what advantage does any plane have? Surely planes are little more than platforms to launch the weaponry? Range, stealth levels and payloads should be all that matters, no? What am I missing, here?
Years ago jets could 'manouver' such that the limiting factor was the squishy pilot inside. Since they still have mr squishy inside, what advantage does any plane have? Surely planes are little more than platforms to launch the weaponry? Range, stealth levels and payloads should be all that matters, no? What am I missing, here?
dug777
Lifer
I am lead to believe that it still matters to quite a degree, remember, those sidewinders & the like can be confused & jammed by modern aircraft defense systems.
Imagine you've got to fly a precision strike in an area that for whatever reason you can't use a laser guided bomb, say a rapidly moving target in mountainous terrain, i sure as hell would prefer a very manaouverable aircraft over one that was designed to fly very fast in a straight line, for a very long way 😉 Aircraft have also become vastly more 'manouverable' with the advent of things like thrust vectoring (which iirc is what is letting the MiG do that crazy sh1t in the video) in recent times...
Plus, it looks cool 😉