Crazy religious family assaults gay son when he tells them he's gay (caught on video)

[Retro Rob]

Actually there was a research news article no to long ago that said atheists in America are closer to 15% and growing. I agree with your post. It has been proven time and time again that non-religious secular areas have much lower crime rates. Thanks for the link btw!

Well, that's like saying that in an area that is 85% black, that means that the reason why the crime is high because of people's race. Of course, in a country populated by %85 of people who identify as religious, the crime rate would be high among them simply because they vastly out-number others.

That correlation is easy to draw.

The more telling (and harder to prove) stat is causation. The numbers you present simply cannot tell us that religion is the reason why the rate is higher -- it only tells us that the rate is high among religious people is because it happens to be more of them.

 

[mnewsham]

it only tells us that the rate is high among religious people is because it happens to be more of them.

actually I think the prison population statistic would satisfy that. 0.2% of the prison population is athiest, so either we don't get caught, OR we just don't commit crimes in the same proportions.

 

[rasczak]

Perhaps encouragement to change to being straight, maybe counseling of sorts, but it has to be his choice in the end. Forcing would not be right, and those are the type of people I could see try to do that. If he really does not want to change then it's his life and they should not judge him for it. Do not judge or you too will be judged. They should know that. I'm sure those parents have sinned plenty like any other person so they should not judge him and freak out like that. I'm probably taking this out of context here but there's a passage in the Bible about taking out the log in your own eye before telling someone they have a piece of dust in theirs. Applies to this family.

Some people are born with hormones that are more on the opposite sex side and it probably influences if they end up being gay or not, so I'm sure it's not something that easy to control.

You need to see beyond that little storybook and start seeing the real world for what it truly is.

 

[Retro Rob]

actually I think the prison population statistic would satisfy that. 0.2% of the prison population is athiest, so either we don't get caught, OR we just don't commit crimes in the same proportions.

0.2 percent can be extremely misleading, depending on the total prison population.

0.2 percent of the total US population is about 700,000, that's not necessarily a small number.

 

[_Rick_]

Actually there was a research news article no to long ago that said atheists in America are closer to 15% and growing. I agree with your post. It has been proven time and time again that non-religious secular areas have much lower crime rates. Thanks for the link btw!

Maybe poor people are more likely to be religious, and also more likely to turn criminal. Giving up religion will probably make you richer (you can relax on Sunday mornings and thus be more productive, you don't have to pay the church tax), but probably not by an amount that significantly impacts the probability of you ending up in a criminal environment.

On the other hand, if you are rich, you are more likely exposed to more of the world, have an education, and thus more likely to reject the gospel.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

$55,000 in a day so far! He's going to be able to put a down payment and maybe even just flat out buy a house soon at this rate!

 

[amdhunter]

At least he should be glad that choosing religion is a choice.

 

[K1052]

I think because living that lie is the kind of thing that leads to misery, depression and - all too often - suicide. By coming out, he gets resolution and can move on with his life, one way or the other. There's value in having a sense of finality to a tortuous circumstance and ripping that cancer out of your life.

This. Few people can appreciate the immense strain this puts on your daily life knowing from a young age that you are different in this way, particularly if the people in your environment are not open minded about these things. You have to eventually deal with it head on or suffer the long term mental/emotional consequences alone.

 

[alzan]

Firstly, calm your ass down. Secondly, take a step back...read disappoint's post, then read my reply and you'll see how this entire post is a non-sequitir.

If you're still having problems, rinse and repeat.

Noted for future occurrences on your part.

It's non sequitur but relevant in that its' SOP in any religion-related thread where a Christians beliefs are being "attacked".

The only issue I take with disappoints post is that not all believers are delusional or suffer from delusional disorder. In this threads case clearly the parents of the young man do suffer from delusions; I'm not a psychologist so couldn't say they suffer from delusional disorder.

Personally I'm glad the young man recorded the "conversation" with his parents; it shows the depth of their delusion, their complete misunderstanding of sexual orientation as well as their willingness to resort to violence because their son questioned their beliefs.

 

[soulcougher73]

0.2 percent can be extremely misleading, depending on the total prison population.

0.2 percent of the total US population is about 700,000, that's not necessarily a small number.

He said 0.2% of the prison population, not 0.2% of the US population. Much smaller number now.

 

[Retro Rob]

It's non sequitur but relevant in that its' SOP in any religion-related thread where a Christians beliefs are being "attacked".

Where in my response, though, did I suggest my beliefs are being attacked?

What you said has ZERO relevance to my post that you replied to. Why not just leave that to threads that actually merit it.

 

[mnewsham]

0.2 percent can be extremely misleading, depending on the total prison population.

0.2 percent of the total US population is about 700,000, that's not necessarily a small number.

Are you just being obtuse? Come on now, just admit atheists as a whole are less likely to commit a crime.

 

[Eug]

The only issue I take with disappoints post is that not all believers are delusional or suffer from delusional disorder. In this threads case clearly the parents of the young man do suffer from delusions; I'm not a psychologist so couldn't say they suffer from delusional disorder.

Personally I'm glad the young man recorded the "conversation" with his parents; it shows the depth of their delusion, their complete misunderstanding of sexual orientation as well as their willingness to resort to violence because their son questioned their beliefs.

I'm not a psychiatrist either, but AFAIK, it's generally accepted that just because you take part of a common religion, that should not make you be considered delusional.

I mean it's common sense really. If 30% of your population thinks god exists, and you were brought up in that environment, it's not a big surprise that you might too. You may or may not be wrong, but you're not delusional.

OTOH, if 99.99% of the world believes the sky is blue, and you believe you are locked in a pod in the centre of Mars with blue sky simulations being pumped into your brain by an evil translucent fairy, then you're probably delusional.

 

[alzan]

Where in my response, though, did I suggest my beliefs are being attacked?

What you said has ZERO relevance to my post that you replied to. Why not just leave that to threads that actually merit it.

You didn't, but you leapt to the defense of the parents in the linked video, at least in part due to the mindset that (at least in the US) Christian beliefs are under attack; I submit that they are questioned more than actually under attack. If you want to see Christian and other beliefs under attack read up on what's currently happening in Iraq re: ISIS.

Actually it has quite a bit of relevance, you just don't want to admit it. My response to your post was in part addressing your constant use of the word idiot or a derivative when someone, in this case disappoint, questions religious (in this case Christian) beliefs. Further the verbal assaults that occur in the video and in AT threads/posts do nothing to enhance discussion of the topic.

The parents let their religious belief sever their relationship with their son, an egregious error. I only hope that they can modify their beliefs so that the relationship can be mended.

 

[justoh]

I'm not a psychiatrist either, but AFAIK, it's generally accepted that just because you take part of a common religion, that should not make you be considered delusional.

I mean it's common sense really. If 30% of your population thinks god exists, and you were brought up in that environment, it's not a big surprise that you might too. You may or may not be wrong, but you're not delusional.

OTOH, if 99.99% of the world believes the sky is blue, and you believe you are locked in a pod in the centre of Mars with blue sky simulations being pumped into your brain by an evil translucent fairy, then you're probably delusional.

That's just stupid, stupidhead.

 

[alzan]

I'm not a psychiatrist either, but AFAIK, it's generally accepted that just because you take part of a common religion, that should not make you be considered delusional.

I mean it's common sense really. If 30% of your population thinks god exists, and you were brought up in that environment, it's not a big surprise that you might too. You may or may not be wrong, but you're not delusional.

OTOH, if 99.99% of the world believes the sky is blue, and you believe you are locked in a pod in the centre of Mars with blue sky simulations being pumped into your brain by an evil translucent fairy, then you're probably delusional.

I don't think it's common sense; more environment and peer pressure, as well as the idea that your parents are always "right".

There are delusional people of all religious stripes and of none. Mental disorders do not discriminate.

 

[Retro Rob]

Are you just being obtuse? Come on now, just admit atheists as a whole are less likely to commit a crime.

I would admit to it IF your point was based on facts pointing to people's athiems asreason why they don't commit crimes, and also facts supporting the idea that religion is the reason why religious people commit crimes.

Case in point, I'm deeply religious...never been to jail, neither has my wife, nor her religious brother and sister -- and in case you haven't noticed, we're not atheists.

Gasp!

However, I have a brother whose been in prison twice, not religious at all (though not an atheist nor agnostic).


The only reason why atheists commit less crimes than religious people is because they number much, much less, so you're bound to have them outnumbered in the prison system.

Also, if this country was 100 percent atheist, guest who'd make up 100 percent of the prison population?

I rest my case.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The only reason why atheists commit less crimes than religious people is because they number much, much less, so you're bound to have them outnumbered in the prison system.

You can't say that for sure, either.

 

[Platypus]

bickering about religion: http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/834879_s.gif

no one is going to change their mind and it's getting tedious to watch the hand wringing that these threads always degrade into.

 

[justoh]

bickering about religion: http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/834879_s.gif

no one is going to change their mind and it's getting tedious to watch the hand wringing that these threads always degrade into.

could just not read them, captain obvious

 

[Eug]

That's just stupid, stupidhead.

I don't think it's common sense; more environment and peer pressure, as well as the idea that your parents are always "right".

There are delusional people of all religious stripes and of none. Mental disorders do not discriminate.

That was my point. The definition of "delusion" from the psychiatric perspective does not include merely being a member of an established religion.

The claim that all religious people are delusional is at best a fringe statement in modern times. However, it serves no useful mental health purpose. It's just inflammatory.

The only reason why atheists commit less crimes than religious people is because they number much, much less, so you're bound to have them outnumbered in the prison system.

You fail at math, miserably.

 

[Retro Rob]

You can't say that for sure, either.

True, but sheer chance would suggest it.

 

[Retro Rob]

That was my point. The definition of "delusion" from the psychiatric perspective does not include merely being a member of an established religion.

The claim that all religious people are delusional is at best a fringe statement in modern times. However, it serves no useful mental health purpose. It's just inflammatory.


You fail at math, miserably.

I never claimed to succeed at math.

But I'd like to be shown why. Thanks

 

[justoh]

That was my point. The definition of "delusion" from the psychiatric perspective does not include merely being a member of an established religion.

The claim that all religious people are delusional is at best a fringe statement in modern times. However, it serves no useful mental health purpose. It's just inflammatory.


You fail at math, miserably.

Maybe this would help:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusion

 

[purbeast0]

why are people giving him money?