Crazy, crazy, crazy idea...

VirtualLarry

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I just had the most off-the-wall idea, after reading *yet another* ATI vs. NV comparison in one of the many threads posted here.

Just thinking about the multi-GPU-on-a-single-card designs, from Gigabyte and others... ok, what if it were possible... to put both an NV, and and ATI GPU, on the same card?

(I did say that it was a crazy idea, didn't I?)

I would assume that the memory would be shared (or perhaps not, but that would double the cost if not), possibly with some sort of third-party high-speed memory-crossbar chip, to allow attachment to both GPUs, and possibly a similar host interface crossbar, or bridge chip, to allow a host, running custom 3rd-party software, to select the use of one GPU or another on the card, or potentially even allow them both to run at the same time, doing different tasks (in the case of a fast enough host interface, say PCI-E, and with independent GPU memory banks on the card).

For games that "prefer" NV, you would use the NV GPU, and likewise for ATI-optimized games. The RAMDAC would be offboard, and shared by both GPUs, such that you wouldn't have to switch monitor cables or anything.

Granted, even if this is technically feasable (possibly not, due to memory latency/trace-length issues), the cost would be exhorbitant. But for those money-is-no-object to a video-card purchase people, this could be the very thing for those that "want it all" in terms of GPU support/performance.

Wish I had thought of this on the 1st, would have made a nice idea for a photoshop gag. :)

(Btw, this idea is not unprecidented. There have been graphics accelerator chips, that were not themselves VGA-compatible, so they had to include a seperate 3rd-party VGA-compatible video controller core onboard as well, to handle DOS games and boot-up, and then when the Windows' driver loaded for the accellerator chip, the DOS-mode VGA core was disabled. The original Weitek-based Diamond Viper cards were like this - that was one of the reasons that there were problems writing drivers for it too. Ditto for the 3DLabs Glint-based Accel 500TX CAD card that I once used.)
 

biostud

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Why stop with nvidia and ATi? why not add Intel Extreme and matrox Parhelia at the same time?
 

Rent

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I just had the most off-the-wall idea, after reading *yet another* ATI vs. NV comparison in one of the many threads posted here.

Just thinking about the multi-GPU-on-a-single-card designs, from Gigabyte and others... ok, what if it were possible... to put both an NV, and and ATI GPU, on the same card?

(I did say that it was a crazy idea, didn't I?)

I would assume that the memory would be shared (or perhaps not, but that would double the cost if not), possibly with some sort of third-party high-speed memory-crossbar chip, to allow attachment to both GPUs, and possibly a similar host interface crossbar, or bridge chip, to allow a host, running custom 3rd-party software, to select the use of one GPU or another on the card, or potentially even allow them both to run at the same time, doing different tasks (in the case of a fast enough host interface, say PCI-E, and with independent GPU memory banks on the card).

For games that "prefer" NV, you would use the NV GPU, and likewise for ATI-optimized games. The RAMDAC would be offboard, and shared by both GPUs, such that you wouldn't have to switch monitor cables or anything.

Granted, even if this is technically feasable (possibly not, due to memory latency/trace-length issues), the cost would be exhorbitant. But for those money-is-no-object to a video-card purchase people, this could be the very thing for those that "want it all" in terms of GPU support/performance.

Wish I had thought of this on the 1st, would have made a nice idea for a photoshop gag. :)

(Btw, this idea is not unprecidented. There have been graphics accelerator chips, that were not themselves VGA-compatible, so they had to include a seperate 3rd-party VGA-compatible video controller core onboard as well, to handle DOS games and boot-up, and then when the Windows' driver loaded for the accellerator chip, the DOS-mode VGA core was disabled. The original Weitek-based Diamond Viper cards were like this - that was one of the reasons that there were problems writing drivers for it too. Ditto for the 3DLabs Glint-based Accel 500TX CAD card that I once used.)

Someone already thought of it.
 

xtknight

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pretty weird but why not just use both GPUs at the same time instead of one or the other? :p

maybe you should make it. start your own video card company VirtualLarry, inc. and buy both R480 chips and NV45s. I bet it's possible. but why is it more crazy than some dual-GPU solutions like the Gigabyte 3D1? two different branded GPUs would be a little harder maybe. you could just have a command translator to one GPU to convert ati's commands into nvidia's or something like that. then at the end have some image combiner that comes the quality of both and makes a super-quality image. lol. I guess i'm only making the idea more crazy. it would be the king of all games, though.

yup that image above was from MaximumPC. they also thought of SLI'ing together two Audigy 2 ZS for "bowel-loosening 14.2 speaker configurations". if you think your ideas are crazy you haven't seen nothin yet...
 

Melchior

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If I had that much time or money to do any of the above mentioned or insinuated.. I'd have something much better to do
 

lambchops3344

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i didnt read your hole thing but they did try running an x800 and 6800 at the same time in sli... supposedly it worked but with tons of errors and couldnt run anything direct x or anything outside of windows really... I wish ati and nvidia would merge... but then they would just be a monopoly which they cant do... arg i hate the economy...
 

mwmorph

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wouldnt that thing cost like $1000 and have to virtually seperate the pcie-16 to 2 virtual pci-e8x signals? video cards cost too much as it is in my opinion.
 

jiffylube1024

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Still in the April 1st mood there Larry?

Sounds like more trouble than it's worth, especially since you can offset preference of one GPU design or another by just throwing in another GPU of the same brand (using SLI or Multi GPU or whatever the hell ATI is calling their thing).
 

Ackmed

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I do wish ATi/NV would make a 3D only card. That way you can have the best of both worlds. It was a joy to have V2's and a TNT2U in the same system. I could use either for any game, depending on which performed better. Sadly I doubt this will happen anytime soon.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: biostud
Why stop with nvidia and ATi? why not add Intel Extreme and matrox Parhelia at the same time?

Cuz if you added Intel Extreme it would be so uber 1337 all the haxxors would use it with their mad hax and pwn everybuddy without EXTREME graphics.
 

Creig

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If there were a HUGE performance delta between ATI and Nvidia core performance it might be a worthwhile idea. However, the top ATI and Nvidia cards both perform admirably even with games optimized for their competitor. So there is really no need for a Nvati card.
 

PrayForDeath

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: biostud
Why stop with nvidia and ATi? why not add Intel Extreme and matrox Parhelia at the same time?

Cuz if you added Intel Extreme it would be so uber 1337 all the haxxors would use it with their mad hax and pwn everybuddy without EXTREME graphics.

:laugh:

I agree with xtknight
 

SrGuapo

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Why not just buy an x850 and a 6800Ultra and switch between them...

I doubt either nVidia or ATI would agree to it, however... Still an interesting idea...
 

ironique

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That would go perfectly with the ECS AMD/Intel mobo that was around on the net sometime back.... Then you manufacture a Gfx card with dimm slots and plug in some OCZ VX....