Crazy Budget Tinkering

Dannar26

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I have a few left over parts, and thanks to a MicroCenter deal I now have enough components to cobble together another PC. I have not built with AMD since the Athlon 64 days in the early 2000's, and I'm excited/curious to work with an AMD system. I have also wanted to build a very small system (mITX). I figure I may even take a shot at Linux with this system.

I am aware of the potency of AMDs products vs Intel's (the lack thereof). I realize I'm better served with just about any Celeron, or even a bigger die AMD product. This is a Kabini, but I feel I won't be asking too much of it for what it is.

I really enjoy tinkering with computers, and with the deal I got, I think this is in impulse buy territory. I got an Athlon 5350 APU and an ASROCK AM1B mITX board for 50 bucks. I already have fast DDR3 RAM, and a slower laptop mechanical drive. So far I have the CPU, GPU (which is the APU), Mobo, RAM, and HDD for 50 bucks (if you don't count the original price paid on the stuff I already had).

I know it will probably be a PITA...but I see these builds where people take old NES cases and build a system in it. I want to do this, but I'm sure it's going to push the boundaries of my skill level. I really want the nerd points though.


1. What YOUR PC will be used for.

HTPC. Casual browsing, movie playing, and emulator gameplay. Maybe a few non-intensive steam games (like don't starve).

2. What YOUR budget is.

As little as possible?

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

Merica. I have a microcenter nearby.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference.

I don't.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts?

As stated previously, this is a build made from a few recycled and freshly bought components:

CPU: AMD Athlon 5350
MOBO: AsRock AM1B-ITX
GPU: Using APU
RAM: G.Skill Ares DDR3 1866 8GB (2x4GB)
HDD : 500GB 5400RPM (Haven't pulled from the laptop yet, not sure of brand)

6. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

I'm leaning towards no here. With what I want to do, I assume I'll need a tight lid on the thermal envelope. If it's safe, I imagine I'll need the performance...but at the same time then I'd need to get a custom cooler.

7. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?

1080p. It's a 50" TV.

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?

As soon as I get the rest of the parts I need. OS, PSU, Case, Optical Drive

9. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

As indicated earlier, the OS. Do I really need some special software to play Blu Ray movies?

My research is ongoing. My wishlist here is to have an optical drive (Blu Ray reader) pop out of the cartridge port of the NES system, and USB 3.0 ports where the controller ports were. I would also like to have this thing run Linux in a smooth, generally bug-free way. I realize these may be pipe dreams.

My questions for the community:

1) Does anybody have a HTPC that runs a Linux distro? What have you tried, and what works best?

2) I feel quite lost when it comes to finding a PSU that is great quality and in the right shape for this. I'm guessing I need either one of those oblong PSUs (is that a shape specific to the mITX format?), or a PicoPSU with an external power brick. Who makes the good stuff?
 

Torn Mind

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mini-ITX cases can take regular PSUs, generally. However, the big 500W+ PSUs become cumbersome with the loads of cables and fatter dimensions. Stick with 450W or less. Some might take an SFX PSU.
 

mvbighead

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For straight HTPC purposes, nothing really beats KodiBuntu (if you can get everything configured correctly). I have heard in the past that AMD driver support in Ubuntu is iffy, but in recent searches it seems to have come some way. On the plus side, it's opensource so you can give it a shot and then simply buy Windows if it or another distro doesn't meet your needs.

As for your case, well, it starts to get pricey when you use true ITX cases and the like. This appears to be a decent option:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YXdxBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YXdxBm/by_merchant/

Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($32.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.93 @ Amazon)
Total: $94.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-02 12:57 EST-0500

As to playing back BluRay... well, you can do it at the TV, but my preference is to simply use MakeMKV and Handbrake to create compressed MKV files that can be streamed over the network at any TV using any sort of front end that supports Kodi. It is truly handy to be able to have kids watch a movie on one TV, and mom and dad a show on another.
 

Yuriman

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The Elite 130 is pretty large for an ITX case that doesn't need to house a discrete video card, and the placement of the power supply over the motherboard is frustrating. IMO, it has a bad layout, and is unsuitable for OP's needs.

I'm thinking something more akin to this, which would be something like 1/20 the size of the CME130:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MiniBox-M35...828256?hash=item2eea259960:g:M88AAOSwJkJWizLD

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EDIT: Doesn't do anything for the optical drive, but there are similar options with room for an optical drive.
 
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Dannar26

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Indeed. I would like to go for the slim factor.

I feel like I wouldn't get the buy-in from the wife without an optical drive though..."What do you mean it can't even play movies? Your computer sucks."
 

mvbighead

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Indeed. I would like to go for the slim factor.

I feel like I wouldn't get the buy-in from the wife without an optical drive though..."What do you mean it can't even play movies? Your computer sucks."

I'll tell you one thing, you get wife buy in when you store your movies in one location and have an appliance at EVERY tv that can reach that location. No longer do you have to find the disk for x/y/z, you just store them neatly on a computer.

Granted, it's a fair amount of work to get them all encoded, but the end result is worth it.
 

Dannar26

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You're absolutely right bighead. The way I'm looking at things more recently is this:

We're tech guys. We should implement solutions like this even if they are difficult to set up. We should leverage what we can do!
 

VirtualLarry

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http://www.directron.com/wt02.html

I've built a few Kabini ITX rigs in those cases. They're fairly attractive, fairly small, use a standardized PSU form-factor, and have room for a full-sized desktop DVD/BR drive.

Plus, they're fairly inexpensive.
 
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Charlie98

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I'll tell you one thing, you get wife buy in when you store your movies in one location and have an appliance at EVERY tv that can reach that location. No longer do you have to find the disk for x/y/z, you just store them neatly on a computer.

Granted, it's a fair amount of work to get them all encoded, but the end result is worth it.

Yes and no... many users watch a movie once, and never watch it again. I'm the opposite, I watch the same movies over and over... so depending on what the end user does may help dictate a case choice, that is to say, if they need more than 1 or 2 local drives for storage, and/or an optical drive.

OP, you live near a MicroCenter... head on in and paw through the cases they have out on display... it's what I did. I realized that as much as I like CoolerMaster and Fractal cases, their cube cases were too big (for my purposes.) I did find this Thermaltake case, that wasn't too bad, though... but I could do without the window.

You will also need software to play back BluRay... it doesn't work natively.
 

cbn

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http://www.directron.com/wt02.html

I've built a few Kabini ITX rigs in those cases. They're fairly attractive, fairly small, use a standardized PSU form-factor, and have room for a full-sized desktop DVD/BR drive.

Plus, they're fairly inexpensive.

Here is another one I found (Raidmax ITX-0907-BP) for $38.99 free shipping:

http://www.frys.com/product/6145869

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It is the same chassis as the Chieftec BT-02B, but with a different front fascia:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mini-itx-small-form-factor-pc-case,2814-3.html

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~9 liters in displacement (about one liter more displacement than the Winsis WT-02), full width single slot expansion bay, 5.25" bay and 3.5" bay, 80mm intake fan slot and two 60mm exhaust fan slots, 300W SFX PSU (<----not sure how good the quality though, Chieftec PSU are reported to be decent quality....but I am not sure if it comes with a Chieftec sourced PSU or one that Raidmax added in ).

Overall, I like the layout more than most of the budget single slot Mini-ITX/PSU combos I have seen (eg, APEX MI-008).

P.S. Here is a video comparing the Raidmax to the Sugo SG-05. (He mentioned $20 for a 80mm fan, in the video but Newegg has them listed starting at $3.50 free shipping---> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=80mm fan&bop=And&N=8000&page=1&order=PRICE )
 
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