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A pristine meteor crater undiscovered until it was spotted on Google Earth may help scientists determine the risks of further potentially catastrophic impacts.
The Kamil crater, which is 52 feet deep and almost 150 feet wide, is deep within the Egyptian desert, and was unknown until it was seen on Google Earth.
Caused by a ten-tonne chunk of iron travelling at more than 7,500mph, it is one of the best preserved sites ever found.

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The Kamil crater which is 16 metres deep and 45 metres wide, is deep within the Egyptian desert, and was unknown until it was seen in this image on Google Earth

The impact would have generated a fireball seen more then 620 miles away, and scientists believe it is relatively young - potentially less than a few thousand years old.

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This means it may have been seen by early humans, although no human record exists of its impact.
The crater was spotted in the border region between Egypt, Sudan and Libya in 2008 by mineralologist Vincenzo De Michele, then with the Civico Museo di Storia Naturale in Milan, Italy.

He was searching for natural features when he chanced on the image on his PC screen.
He contacted astrophysicist Dr Mario Di Martino, at the INAF (National Institute for Astrophysics) observatory in Turin, who, along with Dr Luigi Folco, organised an expedition to the site in February this year.
The two-week expedition took more than a year to plan, and involved 40 people driving for three days in 40 degree heat to find the site.

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The crater, in southern Egypt, is one of the best preserved sites ever found

They collected fragments and carried out tests, and found that it was in remarkably pristine condition.
Dr Detlef Koschny said: 'This demonstrates that metallic meteorites having a mass on the order of 10 tonnes do not break up in the atmosphere, and instead explode when they reach the ground and produce a crater.'

Dr Falco added: 'We are still determining the geochronology of the impact site, but the crater is certainly less than ten thousand years old - and potentially less than a few thousand.
'The impact may even have been observed by humans, and archaeological investigations at nearby ancient settlements may help fix the date.'

The European Space Agency, which helped fund the expedition, said: 'The data gathered during the expedition will be very useful to ESA's Space Situational Awareness programme's activities for risk assessment of small asteroids with orbits that approach Earth, a category to which the Kamil impactor originally belonged.'

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The crater was discovered deep within the Egyptian desert



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They collected fragments and carried out tests, and found that it was in remarkably pristine condition.
Dr Detlef Koschny said: 'This demonstrates that metallic meteorites having a mass on the order of 10 tonnes do not break up in the atmosphere, and instead explode when they reach the ground and produce a crater.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...vered-spotted-Google-Earth.html#ixzz10leGjOMJ

Because, as we know, a single observation is enough to base a blanket statement like that on.

Maybe it was a 140 tonne asteroid, and only 10 made it to the ground generally intact?
 

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Because, as we know, a single observation is enough to base a blanket statement like that on.

Maybe it was a 140 tonne asteroid, and only 10 made it to the ground generally intact?

Stop with your rational thinking!
 

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Because, as we know, a single observation is enough to base a blanket statement like that on.

Maybe it was a 140 tonne asteroid, and only 10 made it to the ground generally intact?

And what happened to the other 130 tonnes Mr space physicist?

If there was 13 times more stuff falling from the sky, we'd see a ton of bigger craters all around it, or at least a fuckton of smaller ones around it.
 

rivan

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And what happened to the other 130 tonnes Mr space physicist?

If there was 13 times more stuff falling from the sky, we'd see a ton of bigger craters all around it, or at least a fuckton of smaller ones around it.

Perhaps, as he mentioned, it broke up on entry. Possibly into fragments too small to make craters, or craters too small to have survived until today. You know, because it's in the desert, where such smaller craters might quickly be obscured by sand.

I'm hardly highly educated on the subject. Perhaps there have been many more observations on the matter that support his statement. I just seemed like an exceptionally bold statement to me, based on a single crater.

I guess I shouldn't be skeptical or question anything I read, lest I offend the scientists.
 

silverpig

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Perhaps, as he mentioned, it broke up on entry. Possibly into fragments too small to make craters, or craters too small to have survived until today. You know, because it's in the desert, where such smaller craters might quickly be obscured by sand.

I'm hardly highly educated on the subject. Perhaps there have been many more observations on the matter that support his statement. I just seemed like an exceptionally bold statement to me, based on a single crater.

I guess I shouldn't be skeptical or question anything I read, lest I offend the scientists.

A 130 ton piece of iron, travelling at 7500mph will make it through the atmosphere (the thick part anyways) in about 30 seconds. Probably less because it was going 7500 mph when it hit after decelerating in the atmosphere. It won't be able to vaporize that much iron in 30 seconds.

That crater looks very circular, which means the meteorite came in close to vertical. All the other debris should have peppered all around it.

Also, the quote was made by one of the guys who has spent is life studying meteorite impacts so he probably can ballpark how big this thing was initially.
 

Malak

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I wonder if this may be related to the Great Flood.

Also, Rivan's response is not necessarily invalid. The evidence of a larger meteor could have easily disappeared over the millenia.
 

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Hopefully this doesn't inspire Michael Bay to make a sequel to Armageddon.
 
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