Crate GX-130C Amp Head

charloscarlies

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I found this baby at a local pawn shop for $150. I'm always skeptical of used stuff especially at pawn shops, but they have a 7 day return policy so I figured I'd atleast give it a shot.

Any of you guitar guys have experience with this amp?

Also, does anybody have recommendations for a decent, cheap 4x12 cabinet?
 

thirdlegstump

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It is utter garbage. What kind of sound are you looking for? Gigging with it or bedroom jamming? Budget? Do you absolutely need a stack? Your level as a player?
 

charloscarlies

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
It is utter garbage. What kind of sound are you looking for? Gigging with it or bedroom jamming? Budget? Do you absolutely need a stack? Your level as a player?

Mostly hard rock w/ a little bit of metal. Not bedroom jamming exactly...but yeah basically just for messin around at home.

I don't need a stack at all, but it's definitely more fun than a little 15 watt practice amp. :)

My budget isn't really set. I don't mind paying for quality, but then again I don't want to throw down 2 grand on a stack when I don't really need it. I'll say probably around $500-800 for the head and cabinet. What else would you recommend?

Oh and why is it garbage?
 

thirdlegstump

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Crate solid state amps: sounds like turd sandwich. Buzzy highs, inarticulate midrange, undefined bottom end and no dynamics..sounds like cheap distortion pedals.

I highly recommend Tech 21's TM-60 if you want something pretty damn loud for home use and if you by chance appreciate great tone. It's also well within your budget too and I can personally attest to it. It'll do just about any kind of sound on it's own and also responds very nicely to overdrive pedals as well in case you need to push it even more, although it can already get really high gain sounds. I've even used it for gigging as well as home practice and recording. Truly versatile amp with just great fvckin tone. There's no reason not to try one out if you can.
 

thomsbrain

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if you don't want to spend the money to get a real amp, you don't need a stack. and if you don't need a stack, you definetely don't need a crate stack. i own a crate practice amp. it is fine for practice but i wouldn't hesitate to say it sounds like crap and that every amp crate has ever made sounds like crap.

understand that even if you're looking at used stuff, a real head and cabinet are going to run you about $1000. unless you will actually be pushing so much air that 1 or 2 12" speakers can't handle it (and they can push a lot of air), then you are way better off with a top-name combo amp. For $800 you might even be able to get yourself a brand new Marshall tube combo that would play at least as loud as the Crate, despite what their "wattage" ratings might indicate. I personally play a Marshall half stack as my "main" rig, but I play in a LOUD rock band, and regularly turn my 100 watt tube amp up to 6 during practices, and 9 during recording. i HAVE to have 4 of my type of speaker just to handle the power. but understand that this level of volume is way beyond anything you will ever approach at home. no, really. if you played that loud, you'd have neighbors a block away calling the cops. you can't even stand in the same room with one at recording volume. we put the cabinet in a room by itself and seal it up, and even in pro studios, it leaks into the control room and distorts all but the hardiest microphones. so my point is, you don't need a half stack. it won't sound better. it's just gonna take up space, be heavy as hell, and never be put to use. you're much better off getting a really good sounding combo than a crappy sounding stack.

edit: two other points: a lower wattage tube amp turned up higher will sound better than a higher wattage tube amp turned lower. this is why i record with my amp at 9. now, a high wattage amp at 9 will sound better than a low wattage amp at 9, but as i already said, you won't ever be able to play the high wattage amp at 9, so don't even think about it.
second, "gigging" is ironically the LEAST demanding application a professional musician's amp will ever encounter. nearly every place you play will have a PA with a sound guy who will insist on micing you and keeping your "stage" level low. so my big Marshall lugs along at 2 or 3 when i play even big venues. shows without amp micing are generally in rooms so small that you can't turn it up too loud without killing your audience, anyway. even punk rock kids have pain thresholds that will be rapidly exceeded by a big amp. so you definetely don't need the big one for gigging. it really just comes down to recording tones, to be honest, and that's a big price to pay (and weight to carry) for recording, if you aren't even in a recording band!
 

Lithium381

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I've also been looking for an amp. I looked at the crate 100watt stacks, and never actually found a place that sells them that i can check out, though i've never heard anything good about them(no real hard knockin' on them either).
Just as thomsbrain pointed out, dont' spend money on it and worry about the space if you're never going to use it. Personally i just bought a marshall MG100dfx combo amp( two or three built in effects, 1 12" speaker @ 100w) I'm so excited it should be delivered tomorrow or tuesday.
I will probably just plunk around in my bedroom, i'm not in a band as we speak, was before and hopefully can get in another one soon, but it's going to be easily loud enough for my room or any pratice sessions, and as pointed out by thomsbrain, most places you'll mic it anyways. For recording i'll probably mic it(though it does have a emulated line out that isn't supposed to be that bad, so i'll A / B it and see what i come up with). good luck!
 

charloscarlies

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Thanks for the responses. Like I said I know I don't *need* a stack. I live on 10 acres...and each neighbor is atleast half a mile away on either side so noise level wouldn't be a problem. I actually have a 900 square foot quasi-"studio" of my own where I keep all my gear, so the space issue isn't a problem either.

I'm going to look into another nice combo amp, but I am still considering a stack. What would you all recommend in the $500-1000 range?
 

charloscarlies

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Well I returned the Crate today...I finally got to hook it up and it did sound like S#$@. I decided I don't really need the stack and I'm just going to look for a nice/cheap combo amp.

What about this: Ibanez Tone Blaster

I can get it for about $200, but it has some weird crackling when switched to overdrive channel. As the gain goes up so does the noise. Also, if I put the guitar down it starts resonating very badly...but again only on the overdrive channel w/ the gain cranked up. What is the cause of this? Easy fix or no?

Any other suggestions for a decent/cheap combo amp <= $400-500?
 

Cerpin Taxt

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You should find yourself one of the Carvin X series amps. I have an XV212 combo and it r0x0rz! 100-watt, all-tube goodness, on-board spring reverb, assignable graphic EQ, footswitch and FX loop... and I picked it up for $275.

Read reviews on all Carvin's amps here:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Carvin/

But pay attention to the X-series amps at the bottom of the list.