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alkemyst

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Originally posted by: MisterJackson
I know I'm late to the thread, but......AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA***gasp***HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Your ass got owned.

at least it's rare, compared to daily with you. I really feel bad for your parents.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Cogman
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Long story short...busy off ramp. You stop, look and then go.

Pulled up behind a dude who had a clear shot...he went. I get up, stop look for oncoming, still clear...go. Maybe make it 10 feet to find him stopped in the traffic lane with no reason. He just slammed his brakes.

Anyway the impact was more pushing than a hit. I was maybe up to 20mph if I was lucky. He was already on the phone and kept calling people. I had to walk up to ask him to pull forward so I could get out of oncoming traffic.

He just kept calling. Three different police (two border cities and the state), about 6 emt/fire rescue/ambulances. I just had a bad feeling.

He insisted he was in major pain, his daughter? was worried she was going to be late to something...his wife was asking weird questions/etc like when I was trying to get my car drivable "wouldn't it be better to leave it damaged?" just a bad feeling i got.

I get home and look up on our county's court system.

Guy is 67 years old...has a felony drug conviction, eviction, charges of beating his wife (with both listed as indigent), he is on a payment plan for a criminal traffic infraction as of last month (which was $400, he has to pay $30 per month). About 5 other traffic infractions over the last few years.

His wife has interesting stuff too?being sued by capital one, sued by providian, also beaten by her previous guy who she tried to have baker acted, also has evictions.


This is probably going to be a mess.

My car is messed up...with a radiator it would be fine to drive probably (I made it about a mile driving home with it). There car probably could use a new exhaust and rear bumper cover...my car is so low it didn't hit the major parts of the car so much, but it just sort of acted like a ram against the soft sheet metal of my car mangling it.

I am thinking they maybe looking at me as a lawsuit out of trouble.

Å

I really don't see what any of that has to do with the fact that YOU hit them...and rear-ended them at that. You're fucked if they choose to sue. You'd better hope they don't get themselves a GOOD personal injury lawyer...

Ohh, come on, When someone deliberately slams on the brakes (for no good reason) they are causing way more danger to everyone around them. It sucks for the OP because there is no way of proving the story one way or another (He can just say a cat ran through the road)

The OP is probably screwed, which is way to bad. Get a lawyer fast because your going to need one.


if they slam on the brakes for no good reason the OP still needed to be far enough back to stop safely. he was not. now he is going to pay.

it's a bit different when they end up stopping 10 feet out of an off ramp. Not like i was actively following them.
 
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Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: meltdown75
lol... i'm sure you post all that personal shit about them. ahahah

didn't understand that.

I have all their info on the accident report. I just looked it up when I got home.
sorry, i was speaking a different language.

you're right, all that info is public knowledge. it's just really weird that you felt the need to put it in there. when you rear-ended them, did any heroin needles fly out of their car?

He is just showing a point that the individuals are of the unsavory character type.
 
Jun 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
I know I'm late to the thread, but......AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA***gasp***HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Your ass got owned.

at least it's rare, compared to daily with you. I really feel bad for your parents.

That's the best you can come up with? How bout you go 'rear end' someone else.....it seems to be what you do best ;)

I'm out.

 

ICRS

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Originally posted by: clamum
I can't really think of a reason rear-ending someone is NOT your fault.

When someone cuts infront of you illegally, then it isn't your fault.
 

ICRS

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Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Originally posted by: clamum
I can't really think of a reason rear-ending someone is NOT your fault.

I hear brake checking is illegal in Cali. I see this as the only time when you rear end someone and its not "your fault"

Wrong, I know peope who rear ended someone, and the OTHER driver was found at fault. The driver was not break checking, so that isn't the only time. Yes I am from California, and so are they.
 

Gooberlx2

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May 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Long story short...busy off ramp. You stop, look and then go.

Pulled up behind a dude who had a clear shot...he went. I get up, stop look for oncoming, still clear...go. Maybe make it 10 feet to find him stopped in the traffic lane with no reason. He just slammed his brakes.

Anyway the impact was more pushing than a hit. I was maybe up to 20mph if I was lucky. He was already on the phone and kept calling people. I had to walk up to ask him to pull forward so I could get out of oncoming traffic.

He just kept calling. Three different police (two border cities and the state), about 6 emt/fire rescue/ambulances. I just had a bad feeling.

He insisted he was in major pain, his daughter? was worried she was going to be late to something...his wife was asking weird questions/etc like when I was trying to get my car drivable "wouldn't it be better to leave it damaged?" just a bad feeling i got.

I get home and look up on our county's court system.

Guy is 67 years old...has a felony drug conviction, eviction, charges of beating his wife (with both listed as indigent), he is on a payment plan for a criminal traffic infraction as of last month (which was $400, he has to pay $30 per month). About 5 other traffic infractions over the last few years.

His wife has interesting stuff too?being sued by capital one, sued by providian, also beaten by her previous guy who she tried to have baker acted, also has evictions.


This is probably going to be a mess.

My car is messed up...with a radiator it would be fine to drive probably (I made it about a mile driving home with it). There car probably could use a new exhaust and rear bumper cover...my car is so low it didn't hit the major parts of the car so much, but it just sort of acted like a ram against the soft sheet metal of my car mangling it.

I am thinking they maybe looking at me as a lawsuit out of trouble.

Å

I really don't see what any of that has to do with the fact that YOU hit them...and rear-ended them at that. You're fucked if they choose to sue. You'd better hope they don't get themselves a GOOD personal injury lawyer...

Agreed, OP's probably fucked. But it does illustrate that they're in a bit of financial trouble and possibly the character of people who would set themselves up to be hit....just so they can sue.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Cogman
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Long story short...busy off ramp. You stop, look and then go.

Pulled up behind a dude who had a clear shot...he went. I get up, stop look for oncoming, still clear...go. Maybe make it 10 feet to find him stopped in the traffic lane with no reason. He just slammed his brakes.

Anyway the impact was more pushing than a hit. I was maybe up to 20mph if I was lucky. He was already on the phone and kept calling people. I had to walk up to ask him to pull forward so I could get out of oncoming traffic.

He just kept calling. Three different police (two border cities and the state), about 6 emt/fire rescue/ambulances. I just had a bad feeling.

He insisted he was in major pain, his daughter? was worried she was going to be late to something...his wife was asking weird questions/etc like when I was trying to get my car drivable "wouldn't it be better to leave it damaged?" just a bad feeling i got.

I get home and look up on our county's court system.

Guy is 67 years old...has a felony drug conviction, eviction, charges of beating his wife (with both listed as indigent), he is on a payment plan for a criminal traffic infraction as of last month (which was $400, he has to pay $30 per month). About 5 other traffic infractions over the last few years.

His wife has interesting stuff too?being sued by capital one, sued by providian, also beaten by her previous guy who she tried to have baker acted, also has evictions.


This is probably going to be a mess.

My car is messed up...with a radiator it would be fine to drive probably (I made it about a mile driving home with it). There car probably could use a new exhaust and rear bumper cover...my car is so low it didn't hit the major parts of the car so much, but it just sort of acted like a ram against the soft sheet metal of my car mangling it.

I am thinking they maybe looking at me as a lawsuit out of trouble.

Å

I really don't see what any of that has to do with the fact that YOU hit them...and rear-ended them at that. You're fucked if they choose to sue. You'd better hope they don't get themselves a GOOD personal injury lawyer...

Ohh, come on, When someone deliberately slams on the brakes (for no good reason) they are causing way more danger to everyone around them. It sucks for the OP because there is no way of proving the story one way or another (He can just say a cat ran through the road)

The OP is probably screwed, which is way to bad. Get a lawyer fast because your going to need one.


if they slam on the brakes for no good reason the OP still needed to be far enough back to stop safely. he was not. now he is going to pay.

it's a bit different when they end up stopping 10 feet out of an off ramp. Not like i was actively following them.

then you really shoul dhave been paying attention. while it sucks and yes i think they are a scam it really does not matter. you need to know what is in front of you and keep enough distance to stop.
 

sactoking

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Sep 24, 2007
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Alkemyst-

I'm gonna help you here. It's NOT as bad as people are making it sound. First off a few questions, since I just skimmed most of the posts:
Were the police called?
Was a report filed?
Do you have any witness information for before or after the collision?
Was an ambulance called?
Have you given a recorded statement to your insurance?

Like others have said (and yourself), you are at fault. That's no big deal. What is a big deal is the apparent insurance fraud you're being set up for. The behavior you described them exhibiting is VERY suspicious.

Your insurance will accept liability and make them a settlement offer. The offer will probably be 'too low', so THEN they'll go and "lawyer up". Liability will not be an issue, just damages. You'll want to take a few steps to document the possible fraud.

First, if the police were called, get a copy of the report. If they were not, see if your jurisdiction requires or allows you to make a written statement of the accident. Be sure you do so if you can, so it becomes part of the record. Be sure to document their apparent pain immediately afterward.

Second, if you have any witnesses, turn that information over to your insurance. The most useful witnesses are the ones that may have stopped after the accident and can testify to the claimants' pain.

Be sure to give a recorded statement to your insurance.

Give any information (legally) acquired about the claimant to your insurance and be sure they run an ISO screen.

Given the claimants' history, they seemed predisposed to exaggerating an injury in the hopes that it will get them out of financial difficulty. What they probably don't realize is that the injuries they were faking, soft tissue neck and back if I remember, take several hours or DAYS to manifest, since they are muscular injuries. Only an acute injury, like a broken bone, would manifest immediately.

Ambulance records or a hospital visit will actually be useful to you, as they will probably only contain ICD-9 and CPT codes for soft tissue complaints. Those are hard to diagnose as they typically only exhibit anecdotal symptoms (i.e. I have to TELL you about them, you can't observe them). The doctors or EMTs should be able to rule out anything really serious.

At that point their attorney will say they are seriously hurt and spend soooo much time and money missing work and being treated and want policy limits. Your insurance should counter by saying 'BS, they have soft tissue injuries, if anything. Treatment should last a few weeks, max. They have a disposition for exaggerating, since the ISO reports they are in trouble financially. We'll give you $xxxx and consider yourself lucky.' A good attorney will take it and walk away, while a skeevy one will file suit.

If they sue, my only advice at that point will be to be sure your insurance team gets copies of his cell records in discovery. I'd bet he called an attorney right away, which unless he's on retainer, is good evidence of fraud.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: sactoking
Alkemyst-

I'm gonna help you here. It's NOT as bad as people are making it sound. First off a few questions, since I just skimmed most of the posts:
Were the police called?
Was a report filed?
Do you have any witness information for before or after the collision?
Was an ambulance called?
Have you given a recorded statement to your insurance?

Like others have said (and yourself), you are at fault. That's no big deal. What is a big deal is the apparent insurance fraud you're being set up for. The behavior you described them exhibiting is VERY suspicious.

Your insurance will accept liability and make them a settlement offer. The offer will probably be 'too low', so THEN they'll go and "lawyer up". Liability will not be an issue, just damages. You'll want to take a few steps to document the possible fraud.

First, if the police were called, get a copy of the report. If they were not, see if your jurisdiction requires or allows you to make a written statement of the accident. Be sure you do so if you can, so it becomes part of the record. Be sure to document their apparent pain immediately afterward.

Second, if you have any witnesses, turn that information over to your insurance. The most useful witnesses are the ones that may have stopped after the accident and can testify to the claimants' pain.

Be sure to give a recorded statement to your insurance.

Give any information (legally) acquired about the claimant to your insurance and be sure they run an ISO screen.

Given the claimants' history, they seemed predisposed to exaggerating an injury in the hopes that it will get them out of financial difficulty. What they probably don't realize is that the injuries they were faking, soft tissue neck and back if I remember, take several hours or DAYS to manifest, since they are muscular injuries. Only an acute injury, like a broken bone, would manifest immediately.

Ambulance records or a hospital visit will actually be useful to you, as they will probably only contain ICD-9 and CPT codes for soft tissue complaints. Those are hard to diagnose as they typically only exhibit anecdotal symptoms (i.e. I have to TELL you about them, you can't observe them). The doctors or EMTs should be able to rule out anything really serious.

At that point their attorney will say they are seriously hurt and spend soooo much time and money missing work and being treated and want policy limits. Your insurance should counter by saying 'BS, they have soft tissue injuries, if anything. Treatment should last a few weeks, max. They have a disposition for exaggerating, since the ISO reports they are in trouble financially. We'll give you $xxxx and consider yourself lucky.' A good attorney will take it and walk away, while a skeevy one will file suit.

If they sue, my only advice at that point will be to be sure your insurance team gets copies of his cell records in discovery. I'd bet he called an attorney right away, which unless he's on retainer, is good evidence of fraud.

Thanks, but I wasn't seeking help with this as far as what to do. Just sharing an obvious setup situation.

The cell thing is a good idea, but I am betting this guy uses pay as you go phones and will deny even having one at the scene.

I have the accident report and all three jurisdictions that could have possibly handled this were called along with a special traffic unit.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
damn, that really sucks...hopefully they dont pull the sue card :-/

Any updates?

Just happened Friday around 6pm...haven't even seen the tow truck to pick up the car yet.
 

Xavier434

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A lot of tough talk here. I don't know why either. Most of you sound like a bunch of jackasses. Here is the bottom line right here really short and really quick.

1. He should have kept a safe distance because that is the law.

2. People that do what this guy most likely did to alkemyst are worthless scumbags that are abusing a loophole in the law. The law involving rear ending someone was not written with these kinds of scenarios in mind. They were not written to be abused. It is becoming more and more popular for it to be abused out of road rage. No one, including alkemyst, deserves to have this happen to them and nor do they deserve to be at fault when it does. Unfortunately, there are few cases where such a thing can be proven.

Is there really anything else to say?
 

rh71

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It's pretty scary Alkemyst sounds experienced at handling this.
 

CorCentral

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Feb 11, 2001
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**throws a bunch of Black Widow Spiders on it**

Hope that helps your ricer. I doubt it, but wth :laugh:

Actually, my wife owned a 1994 240sx SE, it was totalled by a huge tree branch, caused by one of the hurricanes in FL. It was a decent car, but I like the new Mazda6i better.
 

SphinxnihpS

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SERIOUSLY IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, YOU ARE STUPID:

Check his car for a switch hooked up to the rear brake lights.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
SERIOUSLY IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, YOU ARE STUPID:

Check his car for a switch hooked up to the rear brake lights.

yeah...just demand a vehicle search at the scene and expect him to comply...:confused: