Sadly, I think some of it may boil down to peer pressure too. I've got nothing to back this up, but I bet there are some out there that secretly would like the vaccine, but feel they'd be ridiculed by their friends/coworkers if they found out.
Sadly, I think some of it may boil down to peer pressure too. I've got nothing to back this up, but I bet there are some out there that secretly would like the vaccine, but feel they'd be ridiculed by their friends/coworkers if they found out.
PingSpike
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Long ago I came up with a technique I use to resolve these sorts of scenarios that I like to call lying.
Linux23
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blackangst1
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looks like death panels are real:
'Who to be saved, who not to be': Inside a hospital during India's COVID-19 crisis (msn.com)
'Who to be saved, who not to be': Inside a hospital during India's COVID-19 crisis (msn.com)
dank69
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Palin was right all along? Obama's secret plan to establish death panels in India 5+ years after his term as US President is over has come to fruition? Why didn't I vote McCain?!
blackangst1
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Italy did the same. And a number of US Hospitals were drawing up similar plans. Healthcare resources are finite. Whether that is staff, beds, PPE, ventilators, ect. The entire concept of "flatten the curve" was to prevent that surge on resources. Once you breach that and there simply isn't enough of something you need, you have to start triaging.
I don't know what point or conclusion you are trying to draw, but this is a reality.
blackangst1
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Yes I understand. I was making a relevant post, in the proper thread as to how bad it is. No conclusion whatsoever.
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Your use of "death panels" when it wasn't a phrase in the article speaks for you.
That's triage, not a death panel. Take your politically charged words elsewhere.
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sportage
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People so against illegal immigration should take note that the covid is but only one reason why illegals try so hard to get into our country. Where America is doing great with vaccinations and has plenty of shots, other countries are not doing so well so obviously living in America vs Mexico or India would be preferable. And at any cost.
Not afraid of needle but I will not do what government demands I do which is to get vaccinated.
Fucking elitist's who want to kill grandma with their fancy pants words and shit.
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Why did you chose the US political term death panel when it has nothing to do with the article you linked where individual doctors at hospitals in India are having to make life and death decisions under tremendous pressure.
Death panel - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Too bad its not legal to purge willful dumbfucks from a free society otherwise you'd certainly make the list...oh and fuck you!
Why did you chose the US political term death panel when it has nothing to do with the article you linked where individual doctors at hospitals in India are having to make life and death decisions under tremendous pressure.
Death panel - Wikipedia
I'd be charitable and just assume they didn't really have anything particular in mind in using that phrase. Triage is a pretty common practice, usually in battlefield situations, and it's a symptom of how bad things have become in India that it's relevant there now.
There are always questions of how to allocate finite resources, wars and pandemics being just extreme examples. But it arises in all situations of public health as well, hence the use of concepts like QALYs . Palin's stupid coinage of "death panels" was just an attempt to try and conflate the wider question of resource allocation with the most extreme case - but if the term fits anywhere its those extreme situations, like on the battlefield, or what's happening in India now.
I mean, if you are deciding how to allocate tax-funds for public health or socialised healthcare, you need some way to determine that it's more cost-effective to spend money on, say, cancer treatments than breast-enlargements or tattoo-removal.
The debate is whether that decision should be based on attempts to quantify the value of different medical expenditures using something like QALYs or if it should be based solely on how wealthy the person who wants the treatment is. Do you want doctors and politicians on your 'death panel' or accountants? Either way you can't avoid them.
The debate is whether that decision should be based on attempts to quantify the value of different medical expenditures using something like QALYs or if it should be based solely on how wealthy the person who wants the treatment is. Do you want doctors and politicians on your 'death panel' or accountants? Either way you can't avoid them.
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I don't think the gov't is demanding it. It is highly recommended, but not mandated.
That being said, are you saying the reason you aren't getting vaccinated is because you are being told you should? Grow up.
Partially yes but also because i want to see long term side effect from this vaccine if any.
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We had them in the US too, we just did a better job of acting like we weren't overran while we denied care to the elderly.
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