News Covid is not the only problem in Florida now.

Amol S.

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Apparently another apartment building has been found structurly unfit. The status of the columns were the cause of the building being declared as structurly unfit.

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Greenman

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Structures have a finite life expectancy. With a one or two story framed building that life expectancy can be extended almost indefinitely. With multi story concrete structures it becomes very problematical as there is no method of accessing the reinforcement. Repairs are costly and often so expensive that replacement is the only viable course of action.
 

Pohemi

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That's a nice screenshot...from your phone. Next time maybe take 10 sec to find an actual article so we don't have to take your alarmist words on what the story actually is. :rolleyes:
 
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Structures have a finite life expectancy. With a one or two story framed building that life expectancy can be extended almost indefinitely. With multi story concrete structures it becomes very problematical as there is no method of accessing the reinforcement. Repairs are costly and often so expensive that replacement is the only viable course of action.

Interesting were old building built differently?
I have worked in building in Boston that were 100 or more years old. They obviously have been modified many times over their life.
Is this just a value thing as in the land it is on is so valuable paying 25x the labor and materials for makes sense but doesn’t make sense for something in a less valuable area.
**not historic buildings but building nestled between other new or old buildings**
 
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Structures have a finite life expectancy. With a one or two story framed building that life expectancy can be extended almost indefinitely. With multi story concrete structures it becomes very problematical as there is no method of accessing the reinforcement. Repairs are costly and often so expensive that replacement is the only viable course of action.
It doesn't help that miami is sinking...
 

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That would be my question--is it the buildings, or the ground under them.

It's not like Florida doesn't have a very long history of sinkholes. The entire state sits over limestone with water running through it holding up sand. (btw some crazy divers go into those underground rivers, that is the stuff of nightmares to me.)
 

Amol S.

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That would be my question--is it the buildings, or the ground under them.

It's not like Florida doesn't have a very long history of sinkholes. The entire state sits over limestone with water running through it holding up sand. (btw some crazy divers go into those underground rivers, that is the stuff of nightmares to me.)
With construction of homes and buildings prohibited in the Everglades, and the western border of Miami already touching the Everglades, this could cause an housing shortage issue for the displaced or displaced to become. The more of these incidents occur, the more likely people are going to start moving out of Miami. I feel Miami is heading straight towards the situation New York City was in, back in 1980's when it ended up in bankruptcy, due to financial costs of maintenance and decline in population.
 

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Ok Dexter wtf is with the plastic covering the remotes?


Also, how the heck did he manage to misspell "structurally" twice, when the correct spelling is right fucking there on his screen capture?
 

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It doesn't help that miami is sinking...

It could help

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Amol S.

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Also, how the heck did he manage to misspell "structurally" twice, when the correct spelling is right fucking there on his screen capture?

My phone's spell corrector while typing is somewhat broken. I have to go check my phone's dictionary, and think how these spellings even got into there. Second, there is a problem in AnandTech Forum website in general. Under certain circumstances the browser spell checker might not red underline spelling mistakes. The spelling mistake will not happen again.

Edit: After doing some research just now, there actually is an object called a "structur", and it relates to dentistry.
 

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My phone's spell corrector while typing is somewhat broken. I have to go check my phone's dictionary, and think how these spellings even got into there. Second, there is a problem in AnandTech Forum website in general. Under certain circumstances the browser spell checker might not red underline spelling mistakes. The spelling mistake will not happen again.
I see this happen with Firefox on my Win10 PC. It's to the point that I right click the message box every time I post, untick spell check and then retick it for it to work properly.
 
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Interesting were old building built differently?
I have worked in building in Boston that were 100 or more years old. They obviously have been modified many times over their life.
Is this just a value thing as in the land it is on is so valuable paying 25x the labor and materials for makes sense but doesn’t make sense for something in a less valuable area.
**not historic buildings but building nestled between other new or old buildings**
I think it was more of someone making repairs without permits and other offbook shenanigans.
 

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That would be my question--is it the buildings, or the ground under them.

It's not like Florida doesn't have a very long history of sinkholes. The entire state sits over limestone with water running through it holding up sand. (btw some crazy divers go into those underground rivers, that is the stuff of nightmares to me.)

Yup, lots of sinkholes, and lots of Florida Men to fall into them.


Probably shouldn't joke since the guy died, and he was unlucky rather than stupid. Bedroom floor collapsed into a sinkhole, swallowing up his bed with him in it. Yikes.
 
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I think it was more of someone making repairs without permits and other offbook shenanigans.
Yeah in regards to the collapse I agree. I suspect cheap sub standard repairs were performed or even ignored and I also suspect lax inspections from the City.
Pro business places tend to skimp on things like that thinking they’re doing business a favor but they are not. They are allowing a race to the bottom regarding maintenance. Why spend big money on your condo or apartment building if the guy you are competing against doesn’t. Goes on and on and you end up with this. Unsafe buildings that need super expensive repairs done immediately at literally the worst time (labor cost) to do it.
Cities that ignore this stuff sets these businesses up for failure.
 
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Greenman

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Interesting were old building built differently?
I have worked in building in Boston that were 100 or more years old. They obviously have been modified many times over their life.
Is this just a value thing as in the land it is on is so valuable paying 25x the labor and materials for makes sense but doesn’t make sense for something in a less valuable area.
**not historic buildings but building nestled between other new or old buildings**
Concrete high-rise is what I was referring to. Wood framed low rise structures can last hundreds of years. keep the bugs out of them and the water proofing tight and you're good to go.
 

Amol S.

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Concrete high-rise is what I was referring to. Wood framed low rise structures can last hundreds of years. keep the bugs out of them and the water proofing tight and you're good to go.
Waterproofing can with stand tsunamis? <--- No red squiggle.
 
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Bitek

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Yup, lots of sinkholes, and lots of Florida Men to fall into them.


Probably shouldn't joke since the guy died, and he was unlucky rather than stupid. Bedroom floor collapsed into a sinkhole, swallowing up his bed with him in it. Yikes.

That's a nightmare.

Only way I'll accept dying in bed is after a marathon F session with a hot milf.
 
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Greenman

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Waterproofing can with stand tsunamis? <--- No red squiggle.
Yes, but almost never on a wood framed structure. I suppose it's possible for the waterproofing to survive, but since it will be scattered over a couple square miles does it really matter?