COVID anti-vaxxers should be denied COVID medical care

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BarkingGhostar

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Well, if employers can charge a premium to employees for smoking then so, too, should they for being anti-vax. Personally, I say let every adult anti-vaxxer die. Zero sympathy.
 

Moonbeam

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Just a question I thought of..... How is getting a vaccination any different than paying taxes. People who want the benefits and protections of a society and taxes are the way that is accomplished. This necessary evil is right up there with the fact of death, as the other certain thing. Why then is it not the right of the state, the will of the majority of the people who vote for the government as best meets their expectations of safety happiness etc. to mandate vaccines? Seems like in a party infected democracy nothing can be done least it advantage the other side, unless you are the kind of conservative of course whose aim is to eliminate democracy generally. In a war between fear of losing one's elected office as a law making politician and fear of the people of being infected by the unvaccinated, I wonder who will win.
 

weblooker2021

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Just a question I thought of..... How is getting a vaccination any different than paying taxes. People who want the benefits and protections of a society and taxes are the way that is accomplished. This necessary evil is right up there with the fact of death, as the other certain thing. Why then is it not the right of the state, the will of the majority of the people who vote for the government as best meets their expectations of safety happiness etc. to mandate vaccines? Seems like in a party infected democracy nothing can be done least it advantage the other side, unless you are the kind of conservative of course whose aim is to eliminate democracy generally. In a war between fear of losing one's elected office as a law making politician and fear of the people of being infected by the unvaccinated, I wonder who will win.
State can mandate everyone get vaccinated. That been state right since 1905 but politically this is suicide
 

nickqt

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State can mandate everyone get vaccinated. That been state right since 1905 but politically this is suicide
Mandate state population gets vaccinated to stop spread of deadly disease? Save lives?

And lose my political position, adjacency to power and wealth? Fuck that noise.

Better to let citizens die. We can just call it freedom, that's it, that's what we'll call it. We're conservatives, we value you freedom!

That's what you actually believe and vote for. Congrats on that.

You deserve all the freedom you vote for.
 
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Moonbeam

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State can mandate everyone get vaccinated. That been state right since 1905 but politically this is suicide
Where can the hesitation be in committing suicide so the many can live especially when only a position of power is at stake and not one's actual life? It's called public service, not self service, no?
 
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weblooker2021

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Where can the hesitation be in committing suicide so the many can live especially when only a position of power is at stake and not one's actual life? It's called public service, not self service, no?
Most politicians became politicians for fame and power, most of them don't care about anyone.
 

MrSquished

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So you are making a decision based on your moral judgement of the person in need? Not triage, then. Kind of like distinguishing between the deserving and undeserving poor? Again, I just am uneasy about where that leads.
You are more concerned about that then people who did the responsible thing and got vaccinated but can now die due to no fault of theirs because they can't get into a hospital for treatment due to people that are choking our healthcare resources due to a very simple choice of a 5 second jab? That's a lot easier to do than pretty much anything else that can prevent serious illness taking you to the ER.

Yes I think people that made a small effort to avoid clogging up our healthcare system should not die or receive substandard care because other people couldn't spend 30 minutes to go get poked.

I think that is a pretty easy moral decision to make. Like I said I don't want to refuse anybody care, until it comes to a point they are taking away resources from other patients that will die.
 
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weblooker2021

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It would only be politically suicide in states full of idiots.. so basically the red states..
I am not sure about that. I can see even many blue states having big issue with it. There is a line that one crosses on personal freedom and even Democrats got a problem with it.
 

Sunburn74

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I am not sure about that. I can see even many blue states having big issue with it. There is a line that one crosses on personal freedom and even Democrats got a problem with it.
We already mandate them with kids. You can't take your kids to school without being vaccinated and pretty much everyone takes their kids to school and gets their kids vaccinated. It has nothing to do with whether its a mandate or not. What we're seeing today is a combination of politics, misinformation, and idiocy in equal proportions.
 

Pipeline 1010

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You shouldn't be allowed medical for something you are in denial for.

This could be used to deny treatment for drug addiction or obesity or any other condition that someone somewhere in power has decided that is your own fault. Cross the street without looking at get run over? FU no treatment for you. You've been warned since you were 3 years old to look both ways. Fail to replace your fire alarm battery and suffer from smoke inhalation during a fire that happens in a power outage? NO treatment for you. It beeps and the warning text says replace the battery. You made your choice, prick.

Besides, who gets to decide the definition of "something you are in denial for"? What if some hyper religious whackjob gains the power to make those decisions and that person decides that if you didn't pray enough to God then you don't get treatment because you are in denial of the power of prayer? It's all well and good when the person you agree with is in charge but I highly recommend against creating/granting a power that you wouldn't want your political enemy to wield because someday they are going to get elected. Literally Donald Trump got elected.

Also, let's help people even if they are stupid. Please?
 
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weblooker2021

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We already mandate them with kids. You can't take your kids to school without being vaccinated and pretty much everyone takes their kids to school and gets their kids vaccinated. It has nothing to do with whether its a mandate or not. What we're seeing today is a combination of politics, misinformation, and idiocy in equal proportions.
Why do do everyone keep posting that when it's not really true. Sure some state did away with ability not to vaccinate their kids but most haven't.
State with Religious and Philosphical exemption
 

NWRMidnight

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I am not sure about that. I can see even many blue states having big issue with it. There is a line that one crosses on personal freedom and even Democrats got a problem with it.
Most Democrats don't have an issue with mandated vaccines.. But there again, most democrats are not acting like children, are being responsible adults, and have received the vaccine without acting out, unlike many republican's. Also, vaccines have zero to do with person freedom.. sorry.. you are an idiot if you think your freedom has been compromised by a vaccine mandate.
 
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weblooker2021

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Most Democrats don't have an issue with mandated vaccines.. But there again, most democrats are not acting like children, are being responsible adults, and have received the vaccine without acting out, unlike many republican's. Also, vaccines have zero to do with person freedom.. sorry.. you are an idiot if you think your freedom has been compromised by a vaccine mandate.
Freedom haven't been compromised when it's mandate to work for government, to work for government contractor, health care etc anyone that do not want to work for those entity is welcome to find another job. I have some issue with city's issuing vaccine requirement to enter restaurant, gym's etc but as long as it's not state wide it's pretty easy to bypass it.
 

NWRMidnight

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Freedom haven't been compromised when it's mandate to work for government, to work for government contractor, health care etc anyone that do not want to work for those entity is welcome to find another job. I have some issue with city's issuing vaccine requirement to enter restaurant, gym's etc but as long as it's not state wide it's pretty easy to bypass it.
Just because you have an issue, does not equate to you losing your freedom. you haven't. you are free to chose to comply with the requirement, or not. Just as you are free to abide by the speed limit, or not and risk getting a ticket or jail time.. You still have not lost your freedom. You just lost the ability to be selfish towards other's health and well being..
 

mindless1

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It's kind of like suggesting that if you weren't wearing a seatbelt, you shouldn't get emergency care if in an automobile accident, or if you didn't have due diligence to stay out of the rough part of town, shouldn't be treated for a gunshot wound, or if you didn't dress conservatively, it's okay if someone rapes you.

Sorry no, hating on people to that extent is worse than whatever excuse you were using to hate on them.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but death to them? Imagine some nutcase that disagrees with something you choose to do, or not do, and has the same kind of attitude, except not the self restraint not to act on it. It's a fine line.

The most important thing is, lets spread hate. Any reason, let's just do that because it's proven to make the world a better place.
 

weblooker2021

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Just because you have an issue, does not equate to you losing your freedom. you haven't. you are free to chose to comply with the requirement, or not. Just as you are free to abide by the speed limit, or not and risk getting a ticket or jail time.. You still have not lost your freedom. You just lost the ability to be selfish towards other's health and well being..
My only issue with your example is one must agree to follow all traffic laws when getting driver license, one never had to agree that they can't be selfish toward others.
 

NWRMidnight

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It's kind of like suggesting that if you weren't wearing a seatbelt, you shouldn't get emergency care if in an automobile accident, or if you didn't have due diligence to stay out of the rough part of town, shouldn't be treated for a gunshot wound, or if you didn't dress conservatively, it's okay if someone rapes you.

Sorry no, hating on people to that extent is worse than whatever excuse you were using to hate on them.
Not wearing a seatbelt, going into a rough part of town, not dressing conservatively, and any other similar acts do not put anyone else but the individual at risk, unlike not being vaccine. Now, should they be denied health care, no.. But they should be charged with assault, attempted murder, and any other criminal charges that go with putting the general population in harms way on purpose.
 

mindless1

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Not wearing a seatbelt, going into a rough part of town, not dressing conservatively, and any other similar acts do not put anyone else but the individual at risk, unlike not being vaccine.

What if the woman raped has aids?

What if the person who shoots you ends up in prison, plus fatherless children?

What if what could have been a less serious car accident, ended up as a major collision because instead of being restrained by a seal belt and continuing to control the vehicle, you're tossed around and it careens into whatever stops it from moving?

I do feel everyone should get vaccinated, but that's not an appropriate excuse to hate to the extent suggested in this topic. Hating people because of overt acts to inflict harm, "maybe" (and this might even extend to those not vaccinated, having questionable symptoms then being around others with compromised immune systems, known to not be vaccinated) but passive irresponsibility, not so much.

Even then "want them dead" is some kind of deity-like judgement handing down a death sentence, when most areas now consider that even the most vile of criminals, shouldn't get the death penalty, yet a single individual thinks they are fit to generalize about something society has decided against for far worse *crimes*? Sorry but that's contrary to reality or more specifically majority opinion which is how a democracy works.

People do ignorant, misinformed, even stupid things, but for society to remain civil we can't start making excuses to hate instead of finding ways to unite rather than divide society... unless you just want chaos and unrest to escalate until everyone is less safe.
 
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NWRMidnight

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My only issue with your example is one must agree to follow all traffic laws when getting driver license, one never had to agree that they can't be selfish toward others.
Uhhh, No! When you get a driver's license, you are agreeing that you KNOW The laws of the road, and you know and must demonstrate, how to drive a car safety. You must abide by those laws to KEEP that license. OR do you think that if you drive without a license the laws of the road don't apply to you since you didn't "agree" by getting a license. The laws of the road apply with or without a license.

But you just proved my point, you have choice, to get driver's license and be legal, or you can for go the driver's license, and drive illegally. Just as you have a choice to get the vaccine to enter those establishments, or you can chose to not get the vaccine and Not enter those establishments.. By not getting the vaccine, you are choosing not to comply with the rules just as you are choosing not to get a driver's license and chose to not comply with the laws to drive.
 

weblooker2021

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In understandable english please.
If parents didn't want their kids to get vaccinated, in most states they are able to keep them from having to get vaccinated and still keep their monster attending school.
 
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