COVID anti-vaxxers should be denied COVID medical care

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Lifer
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What's funny is, by percentages blacks are less vaccinated than whites. By percentages blacks vote Democrat more than Republican. By the dems playbook, you're racists for saying they need to be punished for it.

In all seriousness, this will never happen. Look at the national causes of death. By FAR, it's mostly related to being fatties. Calling them out though is a no no now days. Because facts don't matter to them.

Don't see anything "funny" about that. It's not surprising black people have lower vaccination rates - there are clearly multiple reasons for that, one of which would be distrust resulting from a past history of poor treatment...others would include that black people tend to be poorer and more urban and poorer urban-dwellers tend to be more transient in their living situation, and hence are more likely to slip through the cracks of official programs for things like vaccinations.

I don't think anyone should be punished for being non-vaccinated, but they certainly should face social and peer-pressure and persuasion to get them to do the right thing.

Also, on your final point, get back to me when the US starts stigmatising car use and stops organising itself on the assumption that everyone should drive everywhere. Car culture is clearly a major cause of death, including (but not limited to) its role in supressing physical activity and increasing obesity.
 

cytg111

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I find this convo striking, cause with the mentality on the right right now, were the roles reversed, you know they'd deny access to anything everything if you're a leftish... And here you leftish people are, still trying to take care of right wing nut jobs that really only wants to end you.
That's as close to unconditionally love for your fellow human being as you're gonna get. I applaud that. Respect.
The thing is, what do you do with a rabid dog that has bit you? Once? Twice? Thrice?
 

Pipeline 1010

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The thing is, what do you do with a rabid dog that has bit you? Once? Twice? Thrice?

You kill the rabid dog. You have to kill it and send samples of its brain for testing. If you want to dehumanize people you disagree with politically and start comparing humans to rabid dogs and asking what should be done, you should be in touch with what you are really asking for.
 
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ubern00b1

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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears
 
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fskimospy

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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears
It’s not experimental.

If you’re an anti-vaxxer you are stupid and irrational. If you think those are things to be proud of, well you be you!
 

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Lifer
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You kill the rabid dog. You have to kill it and send samples of its brain for testing. If you want to dehumanize people you disagree with politically and start comparing humans to rabid dogs and asking what should be done, you should be in touch with what you are really asking for.

In this comparison I'd say the "rabid dog" was the Republican Party. It really needs to be killed (testing samples of its brain might be useful exercise as well, though I'm not sure how the analogy works at that point).

I wouldn't write off every single Republican voter, as insane as many of them currently appear to me to be, mainly because I don't believe the demarcation lines of political 'tribes' are set in stone for all time. For one thing, there are those who are nominally on 'my team' that I don't trust, and suspect won't always be on my 'side'. Teams can change as circumstances do.
 
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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears

I don’t think you should get vaccinated nor wear a mask.

We’ve got too many stupid people in this country and I think a little self culling would do this country good.

Thanks for doing your part!
 
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MtnMan

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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears
You are the fucking experiment that proves that the vaccine saves lives, by keeping people out of the hospital and morgue.

This guy is part of the 99.*% and life goes on as normal for the vaccinated, but not for him. He has gone from a health man to someone that needs supplemental oxygen for the rest of his fucking life.
 
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I don’t think you should get vaccinated nor wear a mask.

We’ve got too many stupid people in this country and I think a little self culling would do this country good.

Thanks for doing your part!
These people are overworking Darwin.
 

MrSquished

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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears
Please don't get vaccinated.
 
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weblooker2021

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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears
You're an idiot, plain and simple. There is absolutely nothing experimental about this vaccine, at this point it been out for 1 year. Yes survival rate is extremely high, are you willing to take a chances a)That you will be that percentage that will not survive? b) Even if you survive that you will not have lasting complication? I was "anti-vaxer" and some will say i am still anti-vaxer being i refuse to get the booster. With that being said, the fact that you believe that it's experimental makes you an idiot.
 

eikelbijter

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My favorite part was him arguing in favor of natural immunity because you could get a natural ‘booster’ by getting COVID again, haha.
Your reading comprehension is WAY off. First off, I'm not arguing "in favor" of anything, but most CERTAINLY not "because". I was merely pointing out that something someone ELSE said didn't exist, DOES exist. That's it. You guys see propaganda where there isn't any. I know you all have PTSD from Trump, in my opinion the worst president of all time, a disgrace of a man, and from all the anti-vaxxers, whom you seem to want to group me with even though I'm very much in favor of modern medicine, vaccines included.

Sad thing is, you guys are almost as ridiculous as the morons who believe Bill Gates wants to put a chip in them. Calling everyone who even DARE have any questions an idiot. I was called a liar for saying that the WHO recommends against boosters for healthy adults, which is clearly the truth.
 
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eikelbijter

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You're an idiot, plain and simple. There is absolutely nothing experimental about this vaccine, at this point it been out for 1 year. Yes survival rate is extremely high, are you willing to take a chances a)That you will be that percentage that will not survive? b) Even if you survive that you will not have lasting complication? I was "anti-vaxer" and some will say i am still anti-vaxer being i refuse to get the booster. With that being said, the fact that you believe that it's experimental makes you an idiot.
Calling people an idiot doesn't help make YOU look very smart buddy. "experimental" might be an inappropriate term, but ONE YEAR? You should look up how long VIOXX was out before they realized how much damage it had been doing. Now mind you, I'm not saying these vaccines are anywhere near as dangerous or even dangerous at all. I would expect there to be an extremely small chance of long term effects, definitely smaller than the chance for most to have severe COVID19. For kids, I believe the potential side effects are high enough, and the risk of serious disease low enough to not vaccinate them categorically. Perhaps the fat ones. This is what they decided in the UK by the way, not some fringe opinion.

Bottom line, it's not good to call others with legitimate concerns "idiots". And guess what: it doesn't help with convincing others either.
 

eikelbijter

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People that spread bullshit as you do, need to be addressed as a 15-year-old would be... for we don't want to use words beyond their vocabulary.

Trump speaks at a 4th grade level, which explains why his followers think he is a fucking genius. i.e. know your audience, such people won't bother to look up a word they don't understand.
I don't know, but I suspect you're accusing me of being a Trumper. NOTHING could be further from the truth. I find him a repulsive, useless, embarrassment of a man. He was the WORST president that I know of, he's done HUGE harm to the US and perhaps the world.

I can assure you, my vocabulary is not a problem. I'm not American, but my command of the English language is fine, and I'm not scared of big words.
 
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I was called a liar for saying that the WHO recommends against boosters for healthy adults, which is clearly the truth.

Where were you called a liar for that?

The WHO do say that, but I don't understand their attitude, as on many things.

Given this:



While the data suggests such individuals have about 40% protection against Delta at this time point, protection against symptomatic infection with Omicron could be less than 10%

It just doesn't seem realistic to demand wealthier countries be that self-sacrificing, as to give away vaccines instead of using boosters, which appear to be essential if the population is to have any protection from the Omicron variant.

In effect it seems as if the WHO is asking western governments to leave their own populations wide-open to unconstrained spread of the virus. No government is going to be that altruistic. So it seems silly for the WHO to even ask it. Making demands they know full well no government can agree to seems like pure virtue-signalling.


Edit - I mean, maybe there's some rationale behind it that I'm missing, but on the whole the WHO's performance throughout the pandemic has not been impressive. e.g. denouncing international travel restrictions while applauding China's internal ones - implying it's right to ban flights from Wuhan to Beijing, but not from Wuhan to Tehran, say. Not to mention how some of its people made confusing and misleading statements about the fatality rate, thus providing ammunition to those who were trying to argue the whole threat was overhyped.
 
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Medicine Head

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Just my small and smelly opinion, but there you have it. You shouldn't be allowed medical for something you are in denial for. Also, the medical Hippocratic oath should include mandate to get all vaccines or be in denial of said oath and employment therein. Getting vaccinated is a choice, but there should be consequences for any choices in life.
The unfortunate thing about this idea of yours Mr.1950's man, the SCOTUS could declare such act as unconstitutional. Everyone is represented equally according to the Medicare Act.
 

eikelbijter

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Where were you called a liar for that?

The WHO do say that, but I don't understand their attitude, as on many things.

Given this:





It just doesn't seem realistic to demand wealthier countries be that self-sacrificing, as to give away vaccines instead of using boosters, which appear to be essential if the population is to have any protection from the Omicron variant.

In effect it seems as if the WHO is asking western governments to leave their own populations wide-open to unconstrained spread of the virus. No government is going to be that altruistic. So it seems silly for the WHO to even ask it. Making demands they know full well no government can agree to seems like pure virtue-signalling.


Edit - I mean, maybe there's some rationale behind it that I'm missing, but on the whole the WHO's performance throughout the pandemic has not been impressive. e.g. denouncing international travel restrictions while applauding China's internal ones - implying it's right to ban flights from Wuhan to Beijing, but not from Wuhan to Tehran, say. Not to mention how some of its people made confusing and misleading statements about the fatality rate, thus providing ammunition to those who were trying to argue the whole threat was overhyped.
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Reading it back it was worse than being called a liar, it was an "utterly lying pathetic little plague rat". Very creative I must say, and a nice little medical reference to to keep it on topic. Unfortunately, I was just relaying the truth that I guess Michael really didn't need to hear.
 

himkhan

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Proud anti vaxxer here, tell me why I should take an experimental vaccine for a virus that I have 99.*% of surviving? oh and me not being vaccinated doesn't affect you being vaccinated, I'll be all ears

You are vaccinated. Everyone knows this. However, in a room full of 100 vaccinated people. 0% of them ever contract COVID from one another. It requires a fucktard to enter the room.

PLONK
 
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himkhan

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You kill the rabid dog. You have to kill it and send samples of its brain for testing. If you want to dehumanize people you disagree with politically and start comparing humans to rabid dogs and asking what should be done, you should be in touch with what you are really asking for.

A rabid dog is unaware it has been bitten and that they are now rabid. I agree with you. This is an unfair comparison and not at all fair to rabid dogs.
 
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eikelbijter

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You are vaccinated. Everyone knows this. However, in a room full of 100 vaccinated people. 0% of them ever contract COVID from one another. It requires a fucktard to enter the room.

PLONK
Listen man, you are saying that vaccinated people can't infect each other but that's just wishful thinking at best, and complete ignorance at worst. It's just not true, and when we realize that more than 10 thousand fully vaccinated americans have already died of Covid, which means a few orders of magnitude more have been infected, you realize that this nasty little ah heck is going to run its course.


"Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said Monday 30% of recent COVID-19-related deaths in his state – where 86% of adults have received at least one dose of a vaccine – have been among fully vaccinated people with existing medical issues. "
 
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himkhan

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I said no such thing. I never once said a vaccinated person cannot contract COVID. Go fuck your straw man. Not playing chess with you pidgeon.
 
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TheVrolok

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If you have to ask, then no, you're probably not equipped to examine it. Simply, there is so much literature out that is being horribly misused or misinterpreted by lay people (including respectable media sources). I'm fairly exhausted by the "Dunning Krueger" of all of this.
 
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