Cover for guys, but not girls?

Mr Pickles

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How is that not discrimination? I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'd rather have it because it keeps the ration in the clubs at a decent rate. But how do clubs and bars get away with charging guys money to get in but not charging girls? They can't say "no cover for white people, 10 for black people." but they can say "if you have a penis it's 10 bucks, if you have a vjayjay its free"

I would think being that a club\bar is a place of business it would have to let people in at an equal rate or let people drink for the same price.
 

LS21

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i like it. more guys relucatnt to patronize the place = more vjayjays to go around
 

mooglemania85

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Ladies' Nights and the 'Cancer of Discrimination'
By Steve Chapman
Jul 27, 2006

David Gillespie may be an unlikely Rosa Parks, but we have to take our civil rights heroes where we find them. Parks rebelled because, being black, she was told to ride in the back of an Alabama bus while whites got to sit up front. Gillespie could not tolerate paying a $5 cover price on "ladies' night" at a New Jersey bar while females were getting in free.

This being a civil rights drama, you can guess how it ends. Gillespie took legal action, and the walls of discrimination came tumbling down. The state Division on Civil Rights ruled in 2004 that giving women a special incentive to patronize a drinking establishment is illegal.

"Once a place of public accommodation makes its goods or services available to the public," the division said, "it is bound to treat all members of the public alike." To allow exceptions to the policy "would be to disregard its intended goal, which is nothing less than the eradication of the cancer of discrimination."

That last sentence brings to mind what Oscar Wilde said about an emotional scene in Charles Dickens' "The Old Curiosity Shop": "One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell without laughing." American history holds numerous examples of discrimination that are thoroughly malignant. This is not one of them.

When it comes to relations between the sexes, a little common sense goes a long way. It's not sex discrimination to bar men from women's locker rooms. It's not sex discrimination to let only females audition for the role of Juliet. It's not sex discrimination to roughly balance males and females in an entering college class. And it should not be sex discrimination to offer favors to one sex in order to benefit people of both sexes.

Why, after all, would a bar offer discounts to women? Not because the owner harbors a deep-seated hostility toward men, perpetuating centuries of oppression. People who run such establishments understand that a lot of men patronize taverns partly to meet women, and that they will come more often and stay longer if women are abundant than if they are scarce.

Since females are generally less attracted to the bar scene, discounts may be needed to draw them out in respectable numbers. The owner of the Coastline Restaurant and Bar in Cherry Hill, the target of the complaint, said after the ruling came down that his male customers are unhappy "because they're wondering, 'Are the girls going to show up?'"

Unlike Gillespie, those guys realize that they're not victims here, because there are no victims. Women get to enjoy a night out at a bargain rate, while feeling less isolated in a sea of males. Men get to enjoy a night out with a better chance of meeting someone of the opposite sex. Pre-existing couples save some money. Misogynists have the chance to confirm their prejudices.

By contrast, it's hard to see how David Gillespie will be better off once these discounts have been consigned to the dustbin of history. Saloon managers are not likely to cut prices for men to match the specials offered to women. Gillespie will merely get to sip his beverage of choice at full price -- and chances are better than before that he'll be doing it in solitude.

His supporters insist that what's important is upholding the principle of nondiscrimination. To allow ladies' nights to go on, we can deduce, would invite the return of Bull Connor and the abolition of women's suffrage. Offering a discount for women, to George Washington University law professor John Banzhaf, is no more defensible than charging whites less than blacks. "Sex discrimination is wrong, no matter whose ox is being gored," he declares.

But context is crucial, and relations between the sexes are different from relations between the races. We don't accept racially segregated restrooms, but we do accept sexually segregated restrooms. All-white colleges would be offensive, but all-female schools are not.

Charging whites less than blacks would suggest a desire to drive away black customers because of racial animus. Charging women less than men suggests nothing comparable. No reasonable man is going to feel the sting of humiliation when a tavern offers women something he can't have. No reasonable woman is going to feel insulted by the differential treatment.

Only people with a rigidly dogmatic mindset and an aversion to reality could think ladies' nights are part of "the cancer of discrimination." But in New Jersey, unreasonableness rules.

Editor's Note: Steve Chapman is on vacation. The following column was originally published in June 2004.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Unlike Gillespie, those guys realize that they're not victims here, because there are no victims. Women get to enjoy a night out at a bargain rate, while feeling less isolated in a sea of males. Men get to enjoy a night out with a better chance of meeting someone of the opposite sex. Pre-existing couples save some money. Misogynists have the chance to confirm their prejudices.

Yeah. My thought when I read the title was "Yeah, it's discrimination. So? Deal with it."

It's not like women paying less at the bar is the start of a social epidemic that ends with men working as slaves for a ruling class of females. There is no slippery slope. It's just the way life is. Enjoy your higher pay, greater freedom, higher assumed degree of competence, and lower chances of assault and rape, and stop complaining about the women getting cheaper drinks.
 

masterxfob

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Originally posted by: MrLee
"if you have a penis it's 10 bucks, if you have a vjayjay its free"

does it scare you to say/type VAGINA?

and yes, cover charge sucks. only way around that is to bring more girls than boys.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Unlike Gillespie, those guys realize that they're not victims here, because there are no victims. Women get to enjoy a night out at a bargain rate, while feeling less isolated in a sea of males. Men get to enjoy a night out with a better chance of meeting someone of the opposite sex. Pre-existing couples save some money. Misogynists have the chance to confirm their prejudices.

Yeah. My thought when I read the title was "Yeah, it's discrimination. So? Deal with it."

It's not like women paying less at the bar is the start of a social epidemic that ends with men working as slaves for a ruling class of females. There is no slippery slope. It's just the way life is. Enjoy your higher pay, greater freedom, higher assumed degree of competence, and lower chances of assault and rape, and stop complaining about the women getting cheaper drinks.

Also we can solve problems with violence while women have to wait months or years to get in your head and destroy your psyche..
 

Eeezee

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That's because reverse discrimination is okay. If you're a white male, it's okay to discriminate against you because you're supposed to have all the power. This is well-known.

In addition to that, these particular bars are usually more geared for dancing and meeting members of the opposite sex. Drinking bars (where you go with your buddies for a pint) don't charge a cover. Take your pick; do you want to drink or do you want to meet women?

If you become friends with the bouncer you won't have to pay the cover. Give it a try.
 
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Originally posted by: MrLee
How is that not discrimination? I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'd rather have it because it keeps the ration in the clubs at a decent rate. But how do clubs and bars get away with charging guys money to get in but not charging girls? They can't say "no cover for white people, 10 for black people." but they can say "if you have a penis it's 10 bucks, if you have a vjayjay its free"

I would think being that a club\bar is a place of business it would have to let people in at an equal rate or let people drink for the same price.

since when did discrimination become illegal? The club isn't a government actor so you dont have any constitutional protections against it. BTW, even if it was a consitutional issue, laws that discriminate based on race are given a "strict scrutiny" standard and laws that discriminate based on gender are only given "intermediate scrutiny"

PS a NY attorney filed a discriminate lawsuit for this exact same reason. He will lose miserably.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: bababooey
So the O.P. likes a sausage fest,to each their own...

Which brings up the question...how do they determine the cover charge in gay bars? Do "bottoms" get in free?;)
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: MrLee
How is that not discrimination? I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'd rather have it because it keeps the ration in the clubs at a decent rate. But how do clubs and bars get away with charging guys money to get in but not charging girls? They can't say "no cover for white people, 10 for black people." but they can say "if you have a penis it's 10 bucks, if you have a vjayjay its free"

I would think being that a club\bar is a place of business it would have to let people in at an equal rate or let people drink for the same price.

since when did discrimination become illegal? The club isn't a government actor so you dont have any constitutional protections against it. BTW, even if it was a consitutional issue, laws that discriminate based on race are given a "strict scrutiny" standard and laws that discriminate based on gender are only given "intermediate scrutiny"

PS a NY attorney filed a discriminate lawsuit for this exact same reason. He will lose miserably.

Is your job considered a government actor? Try discrimination there and see what happens. It's pretty damn illegal in that case.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: MrLee
How is that not discrimination? I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'd rather have it because it keeps the ration in the clubs at a decent rate. But how do clubs and bars get away with charging guys money to get in but not charging girls? They can't say "no cover for white people, 10 for black people." but they can say "if you have a penis it's 10 bucks, if you have a vjayjay its free"

I would think being that a club\bar is a place of business it would have to let people in at an equal rate or let people drink for the same price.

since when did discrimination become illegal? The club isn't a government actor so you dont have any constitutional protections against it. BTW, even if it was a consitutional issue, laws that discriminate based on race are given a "strict scrutiny" standard and laws that discriminate based on gender are only given "intermediate scrutiny"

PS a NY attorney filed a discriminate lawsuit for this exact same reason. He will lose miserably.

In NJ they already won that case.
 

Mr Pickles

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: MrLee
How is that not discrimination? I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'd rather have it because it keeps the ration in the clubs at a decent rate. But how do clubs and bars get away with charging guys money to get in but not charging girls? They can't say "no cover for white people, 10 for black people." but they can say "if you have a penis it's 10 bucks, if you have a vjayjay its free"

I would think being that a club\bar is a place of business it would have to let people in at an equal rate or let people drink for the same price.

since when did discrimination become illegal? The club isn't a government actor so you dont have any constitutional protections against it. BTW, even if it was a consitutional issue, laws that discriminate based on race are given a "strict scrutiny" standard and laws that discriminate based on gender are only given "intermediate scrutiny"

PS a NY attorney filed a discriminate lawsuit for this exact same reason. He will lose miserably.

In NJ they already won that case.

Already won the case as in bars can no longer charge a cover based on sex in NJ? Please explain.

To everyone else: Yeah, gay jokes... one after the other almost quoting the same person right before you. Forget the "I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'd rather have it because it keeps the ration in the clubs at a decent rate." in the OP, just throw em out there.

In this day and age I'm just interested in how they have gotten away with it for so long without someone deciding to fight it with all the time and money they have. Go figure the most this topic has ever seen in court just happens to be in good old NJ. I'll do some more looking and see if it was brought to court anywhere else.

Edit: Vagina.
 

alkemyst

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Be the dude to screw it up and make it a sausagefest.

Unfortunately for many here they'd be better off staying home.
 

her209

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Another thing. How come guys have to stand in line while girls are allowed to walk right in?
 

clamum

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Ah big deal. At first it seems comparable to charging blacks but not whites, but as that article mooglemania85 posted said, it's actually not that same when taken in context.
 

DougK62

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It's a private club, they can let in whomever they want. If you don't like it then don't go there. It's as simple as that.

 

Mr Pickles

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Originally posted by: clamum
Ah big deal. At first it seems comparable to charging blacks but not whites, but as that article mooglemania85 posted said, it's actually not that same when taken in context.

Editor's Note: Steve Chapman is on vacation. The following column was originally published in June 2004.

Ha, side note. They took something published originally in 2004 and published this article in July of 2006 because Steve was on vacation. Did he not write anything better for 2 years? What the heck...

Originally posted by: DougK62
It's a private club, they can let in whomever they want. If you don't like it then don't go there. It's as simple as that.

I do like it. My OP stated that I like it and my quoted reply half way down on the first page stated again that I like it. Do people use ltrtwft here? "Learn the read the whole fucking thread"? If so, this is a good place for it.