Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain murdered? Murderer revealed inside....

[warcrow]

I realised there is a Courtney Love thread (that I even started), but as I was writing this as a reply, I came to the realization that this deserves its own thread. That thread was about her being a skank Anyways..on with it! And no, there will be no cliff notes!



I finished reading the book Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain about 3 weeks ago. I thought I would share what I learned from it. I in no way, shape, or form completely agree with everything listen below, but I must admit...it does sound plausable.!Also, on a side note, I did not come up with any of this! I'm just sharing something I find interesting Below are some of the reasons listed as to why she had motive to do so.



1) Cobain was about to leave her.

The "suicide note" that was left by his side reads nothing like a suicide not, but a farwell letter to Courtney and his fans. Not once does it metnion anything about comitting suicide. The first line and last four lines of the letter were written by someone else. Experts agree that they were not written by the same person who wrote the majority of the note - Kurt Cobain.

You can find a copy of the suicide note HERE!



2) Cobain was induced with 1.52mg per litre of heroin when he was killed

Toxicology reports say he was induced with 1.52mg per litre per liter of blood when found dead. This is 3 times the lethal dose of heroin (obviously high even for a addict, which Cobain was not. He stopped ever since his daughter was born)! So, obviously this amount would render someone completely useless. He would not have been able to pull the trigger to that shotgun for the effects of that amount of herion in the bloodstream would be almost instantly effective anyways.

Source



3) Cobain and Love had a pernuptual agreement

Cobain had Love sign a prenuptual agreement when they married leaving her unable to collect his millions unless he died (or was killed).



4) Cobain was not only leaving Courtney, he was quiting rock and roll

Cobain was tired of the music scene. This upset Love to no extent. Ask anyone who knows Love and they will tell you she is a controlling b!tch! Several people have had restraining orders put against her. In the book, there were several people who would not reveal their identity for fear of retaliation from Love.



5) Love's diary entry

She once wrote in one of her diaries when she was a teen (I think she was 17 or 18?) that one day she planned to marry a rock star and kill him. Significant? Maybe, maybe not. But still interesting.



6) Hole bassist Kristen M. Pfaff was found dead of a heroin overdose

On 06/16/1994, she was found in a Seattle apartment of a heroin overdose after she told Love she was quiting the band. Pfaff was considered a core member of the band and Hole's performance went into a downwarad spiral once she had no input into the band (EI:she died). On a side note, Cobain died on 04/05/1994, just two months prior.



7) The man who murdered Cobain has spoken out

His name is "El Duce", lead singer of the band The Mentors. During a High Times article, El Duce claimed that in the last day's of December 1993, Courtney Love pulled up outside The Rock Shop, a Hollywood record shop, at 1644 Wilcox Ave, Hollywood, and spoke to him. The conversation went:

C Love: "El, I need a favour of you. My old man's been a real a$$hole lately, I need you to blow his f*cking head off."
El Duce: "Are you serious"?
C Love: "Yeah, I'll give you $50,000 to blow his f*cking head off."
El Duce: "I'm serious if you are".
CLove: "Where can I reach you"?
El Duce: "You can reach me here".

Source


As for specific reasons why this case should be opened? Go here. VERY INTERESTING!


Notes/Misc

-= Some great Courtney Love quotes.

-= Graphic of the crime scene.

 

[Chunkee]

releaved or revealed? is that serious enough?

 

[Pepsei]

This has been discussed before. It's a possiblity....

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

How about a big "WHO CARES" from everyone left alive in the world! Cobain was lousy lyracist who couldn't sing! Nirvana's music is simply horrid.

That being said, Courtney Love is a skanky dirty slut.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
releaved or revealed? is that serious enough?

Corrected. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
How about a big "WHO CARES" from everyone left alive in the world! Cobain was lousy lyracist who couldn't sing! Nirvana's music is simply horrid.

That being said, Courtney Love is a skanky dirty slut.

My thoughts exactly, except I wouldn't have put such a flowery touch to it.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
How about a big "WHO CARES" from everyone left alive in the world! Cobain was lousy lyracist who couldn't sing! Nirvana's music is simply horrid.

That being said, Courtney Love is a skanky dirty slut.

Well, obviously some do. If you have nothing constructive to add, go f4p to some Lohan

 

[BooGiMaN]

if any of this is even remotely true why hasnt an investigation been open?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
How about a big "WHO CARES" from everyone left alive in the world! Cobain was lousy lyracist who couldn't sing! Nirvana's music is simply horrid.

That being said, Courtney Love is a skanky dirty slut.

Now, tell us what you really think. :laugh:

I agree with your opinions of their music and about Love. That said, it does matter if a murder was actually committed, no matter how small the loss to the world of music may have been.

Having known a fewhard core junkies, I'm always amazed when they survive another day. I'm even glad to say I have a couple of good friends who managed to survive their own stupidity and got clean and productive.

 

[gUEv]

welcome to 7 years ago

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
if any of this is even remotely true why hasnt an investigation been open?

That the very question alot of people are wondering. That why the book was written. The PD doesnt beleive that a murder took place, but that it was suicide. Why did OJ go free? You think the police/criminal investigation doesnt make mistakes?

TListen, te purpose of the book to to raise awareness and to get the case reopened. Look at the recently solved Martha Moxley case. It was closed 20 years ago and considered not a case anymore. But a book came out that revealed information about the case, picking up where the polices investigation left off. The case was reopened, solved, and Michael Skakel was was convicted.

Tom Grant has dozens of tapes of conversations of Courtney Love (phone) and notes about the case. He says he was 3 tapes that if properly investigated by the PD will convict Courtney Love of the crime, but he will only turn over the tapes IF they reopen the case. The PD is not buying it. Why? I dont know the answer to this. :-/

 

[warcrow]

BTW just added:

Graphic of the crime scene.

 

[JulesMaximus]

And JFK wasn't killed by Lee Harvey Oswald but by a bunch of G men on the grassy knoll.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Are you kidding? Reopen the case? Thats just what Courtney would want. She'd somehow manage to get the judge to believe that people are just picking on her and would let her off knowing how cases like this go anymore. Keep in mind i'm being somewhat cynical about this. I'm not sure of my opinion on the case being re-opened or not.

Why isn't Cobain's family pressing for this to be re-opened? There's more here than what is known.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Are you kidding? Reopen the case? Thats just what Courtney would want. She'd somehow manage to get the judge to believe that people are just picking on her and would let her off knowing how cases like this go anymore. Keep in mind i'm being somewhat cynical about this. I'm not sure of my opinion on the case being re-opened or not.

Why isn't Cobain's family pressing for this to be re-opened? There's more here than what is known.

Yea, thats true. But as far as his family goes, his mom is pretty crazy and his real father hasnt been around since he was very little. His (what he considered) parents were his actual grandparents. They do beleive he was murdered. As to what they've done to get the case re-opened, I don't know.

But I do know that Hank Harrison, Courtney's real father, doesnt beleive the killed himself. He thinks Courtney was involved in his murder.

 

[jjones]

Wow, I didn't know he liked Barq's rootbeer.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: jjones
Wow, I didn't know he liked Barq's rootbeer.

They don't even know if it really was Barq's rootbeer. When the initial crime scene was documented, it was reported that there was a liquid inside the can. When it arrived for testing, the liquid had been removed.

Why were standard tests not performed such as a GSR kit, analysis of the contents of the root beer can, (read the reports the can was found with liquid in it but logged into evidence as empty) fingerprinting of the greenhouse, etc.

Source.

 

[warcrow]

Tis thread needs more love :heart:

 

[thomsbrain]

1. don't you think pumping yourself full of heroin might have an effect on your handwriting, so that it might look like it had been written by someone else? DUH.

2. constant use of any drug leads to resistance to it. the guy had been an addict for quite some time. see #1.

3. so courtney's millions from hole apparently left her so hard up for cash that she killed her own husband for his? and then she fought against the release of several nirvana cd's that would have made her more millions? wow, that's some solid logic.

4. yes, after my favorite band broke up, i totally went on a murderous rampage and killed them all because they weren't playing rock and roll. thereby ensuring they can't play rock and roll. please, courtney is messed up, but $10 says she's still smarter than you, and likely smart enough to figure out that a dead kurt isn't gonna write any more songs.

5. woah, no depressed teenage girl writing in her diary has EVER written anything like that before.

6. holy crap! two depressed heroin addicts that killed themselves after they hit rock bottom! no way that could be a coincidence! i bet courtney killed layne from alice in chains too! i heard she killed hendrix! and SRV!

7. so the lead singer of some band no one cares about claims something that will get him attention. i've never heard of a lead singer who wanted attention before, so he must be telling the truth. and i'm sure his band wouldn't be in any position to gain from the publicity, either. i totally believe him!



go to the bathroom, stick your head in the toilet, flush. now that your brain is clean, you might have a fighting chance at thinking.

 

[DainBramaged]

I believe that Courtney Love had Cobain murdered.

 

[UnoSigmaPi]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I believe that Courtney Love had Cobain murdered.

I 100% agree.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
1. don't you think pumping yourself full of heroin might have an effect on your handwriting, so that it might look like it had been written by someone else? DUH.

2. constant use of any drug leads to resistance to it. the guy had been an addict for quite some time. see #1.

3. so courtney's millions from hole apparently left her so hard up for cash that she killed her own husband for his? and then she fought against the release of several nirvana cd's that would have made her more millions? wow, that's some solid logic.

4. yes, after my favorite band broke up, i totally went on a murderous rampage and killed them all because they weren't playing rock and roll. thereby ensuring they can't play rock and roll. please, courtney is messed up, but $10 says she's still smarter than you, and likely smart enough to figure out that a dead kurt isn't gonna write any more songs.

5. woah, no depressed teenage girl writing in her diary has EVER written anything like that before.

6. holy crap! two depressed heroin addicts that killed themselves after they hit rock bottom! no way that could be a coincidence! i bet courtney killed layne from alice in chains too! i heard she killed hendrix! and SRV!

7. so the lead singer of some band no one cares about claims something that will get him attention. i've never heard of a lead singer who wanted attention before, so he must be telling the truth. and i'm sure his band wouldn't be in any position to gain from the publicity, either. i totally believe him!



go to the bathroom, stick your head in the toilet, flush. now that your brain is clean, you might have a fighting chance at thinking.

Hrm, guess I'll be the mature one and put aside the personal attacks

1) Of course, why didnt I think of that. He wrote the body of the note before committing suicide, injected not one, not two, but three times the lethal dose of heroin, grabbed a pen, wrote the "Dear Boddah" on the top and "Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances. For her life, which will be so much happier without me. I love you, I love you!" at the bottom, THEN grabbed the shotgun and killed myself meanwhile not leaving any figerprints on the shotgun. Makes perfect sense.

2) Even for a user, that is ALOT of heroin.

3) Cobain's dead body was found 4/5/94. Hole's debeut album came out a week later (strange coincidence, eh?)? How could she have millions from and album that was released *after* his death?

4) I have no idea wtf you're tlaking about here. you're on your own, bro.

5) Yes, you're right. There must be tons of girls who've written about killing someone in their diaries when they were in their teens, my bad.

6) Hrm, explain to me how Pfaff hit rock bottom? She had just release "Live through this", Hole's debut album which made alot of money and was concidered one of the best albums of the year. Everyone who knew her said she was not suicidal? Hell, she had a Uhaul outside with all her belongs in it ready to go the next morning the night she died.

7) I don't have an opinion on this, it was just stated in the book.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
1. don't you think pumping yourself full of heroin might have an effect on your handwriting, so that it might look like it had been written by someone else? DUH.

2. constant use of any drug leads to resistance to it. the guy had been an addict for quite some time. see #1.

3. so courtney's millions from hole apparently left her so hard up for cash that she killed her own husband for his? and then she fought against the release of several nirvana cd's that would have made her more millions? wow, that's some solid logic.

4. yes, after my favorite band broke up, i totally went on a murderous rampage and killed them all because they weren't playing rock and roll. thereby ensuring they can't play rock and roll. please, courtney is messed up, but $10 says she's still smarter than you, and likely smart enough to figure out that a dead kurt isn't gonna write any more songs.

5. woah, no depressed teenage girl writing in her diary has EVER written anything like that before.

6. holy crap! two depressed heroin addicts that killed themselves after they hit rock bottom! no way that could be a coincidence! i bet courtney killed layne from alice in chains too! i heard she killed hendrix! and SRV!

7. so the lead singer of some band no one cares about claims something that will get him attention. i've never heard of a lead singer who wanted attention before, so he must be telling the truth. and i'm sure his band wouldn't be in any position to gain from the publicity, either. i totally believe him!



go to the bathroom, stick your head in the toilet, flush. now that your brain is clean, you might have a fighting chance at thinking.

1.You are assuming he took, or was given, a "normal" shot of heroin. It was 3 times that of normal. If he could write a single letter 10 seconds later I would be shocked and amazed.

2. True that use builds up resistance, but in this case you gota be a little dense to think that the amount we are talking about wouldn't send the guy on his last trip in a very short time.

3. Logic is that she was/is a control freak with a mental disorder (possibly more than a few) and is known to go after people she didn't like. It's not a stretch to think that she is crazy enough to try to destroy the memory of Kurt Cobain as best she could if she hated him so intensely that she had him killed in a fit of rage. What you have is motive and opportunity.

4. See # 3. People who have "issues" like Love don't think like your average person, unless your average person is some drugged up control freak who likes to go after people she doesn't like physically.

5. Each person is different. You trying to lump them all together is what scares me. Having said that there are disorders that occur that will stay with people when they become older. I'm talking about abusive parents, be it the mom, dad or relatives. This is documented and a widely known fact, although people can get over some of them with therapy. I'm not sure if Love has had any success in this retard or if she suffers from any specific disorder of this kind. I'm not her doctor.

6. Best I know is that Kurt was in fact happy with his child and was one of the reasons why he wanted out. To not bring the kid up in the environment he was brought up on. Your comment is off base.

7. You have to be a moron to claim you killed someone just to get attention. I'm not saying this guy isn't a moron or crazy enough. After all I cannot speak of the person's mental state at the time he made this claim. Having said that dismissing a claim of responsibility is about as responsible as Love is in her life.

 

[Trey22]

Pinche puta.

 

[DurocShark]

I believe it's not only possible, but probable.

Kurt was her meal ticket, her route to fame. If Kurt left her, or even stopped playing, Hole would have never made the money they did. The reason the album sold so well was BECAUSE of Kurt's "suicide".

Cops blew it on the investigation because it appeared so obvious. Cops are people too and will take the easy path more often than not.

I don't think anything the skank wrote in her diary has anything to do with anything.

I'm thinking that he was injected with the large dose of heroin, and when it didn't kill him right away, whoever was there used the shotgun. That's some serious planning and preparation to have a backup plan like that.

I'm thinking the guy that said Skankola asked him to kill Kurt either was full of crap or just heard her ranting about being mad at Kurt and ran with it. Either way, pretty weak.