Court Rules It a Human Rights Violation To Deny the Junkie Heroin

[SAWYER]

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/279125.php


Simply amazing, just when I think I have seen the most ridiculous thing something else comes along

Drug-addicted prisoners have received compensation because their human rights were breached when they were forced to go cold turkey, it was revealed today.
Around £11,400 was paid to three inmates at Winchester Prison in Hampshire after a court ruled that it was a breach of their human rights to deny them drugs such as heroin and substitute substances.

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The payments were criticised by campaign group the Taxpayers' Alliance.
Spokesman Mark Wallace said in a statement: 'It's disgusting that law-abiding taxpayers have to stump up compensation because drug addicts weren't allowed to keep taking drugs in prison.

'It's extremely worrying that the compensation culture has grown so much and particularly that prisoners have obviously realised that this is an easy way to make a quick buck.

'It is also extremely unfair that if you are the victim of crime you are likely to get minimal victim compensation, if any, but it appears criminals are increasingly turning a tidy profit from the system.'

 

[Steeplerot]

I am sure they mean methadone, if you have known what junkies go through or helped close friends kick H you would understand.
If you do not you I will respectfully say you have no reason or credibility to be making a judgement call on a serious medical issue. H addiction is physical and your body is not producing needed stuff in your brain thanks to tolerance.
It is basiclly like denying someone functioning kidneys or a liver.
I think I would rather be waterboarded or have my fingernails slowly pulled out. We are not talking about kicking cigs or denying someone weed.
Besides the fact that it is life-threatening to make a serious addict go cold-turkey. A junkies heart WILL stop randomly. Besides the worst imaginable agony they go through. It is a nightmare and I would count your blessings for being ignorant of what these folks go through.
H is terrible as it literally becomes part of the function of the body.
Empty rhetoric about personal choice/responsibility and all ends when someone becomes a junkie, that choice and pretty much that person is gone once your body adjusts to H in the system. It becomes another physical need no less important then oxygen or food.
Bad shit, I recommend people to NEVER get near it if you value anything about yourself.
Becasue once you do, whoever you are as a person is gone and given over to opiates.

 

[First]

I understand not wanting to cause potentially fatal harm to someone, as could happen when forcing them to go cold turkey from H. But I don't know about this type of ruling, seems to set a slippery precedent in the UK.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Denying H would be silly, but they mean methadone or some other medicine I sm sure, if you have known what junkies go through or helped close friends kick H you would understand. If you do not you wouldnt have a clue really to amke a judgement call to be honest. H sddiction is physical and your body is not producing needed stuff in your brain thanks to tolerance.
I think I would rather be waterboarded or have my fingernails slowly pulled out. We are not talking about kicking cigs or denying someone weed.
Besides the fact that it is life-threatening to make a serious addict go cold-turkey. A junkies heart WILL stop randomly. Besides the worst imaginable agony they go through. It is a nightmare and I would count your blessings for being ignorant of what these folks go through.
H is terrible as it literally becomes part of the function of the body.

There is the option not to take Heroine in the first place.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: venkman


There is the option not to take Heroine in the first place.

Yes, but this makes no difference once your body is physically dependant to function normally.
We are not talking about weed here.

You may not understand what it does, but count yourself lucky you do not if you have not dealt with what this stuff does to the human body.

The title is misleading, they are speaking of methadone, which is the bare minimum you can do for someone to carry out even a somewhat normal life once their body chemistry has changed and the brain stops producing the normal chemicals we need to live.

(I have been a volunteer at needle exchanges and clinics for over a decade btw

I deal with this drug and the consequences people have to deal with literally daily.)

Methadone does not get you high, but it provides the addict with the substances needed to live normal lives. A lot more people then most realize are "junkies" but have not touched heroin in years, even decades. But the methadone is a unfortunate need they have thanks to poor choices they made. At least it lets people move on and not have to be forced ot continue the use of a illegal drug that can kill you at any moment if you get a bad batch. Not even to mention the dangers of IV drug use itself, the diseases (HepC/AIDS), and the toll it takes on your body through abcesses, blood poisoning, and a whole other host of things I will not mention as I do not want to make anyone sick.

 

[winnar111]

Just give em enough to OD and save the taxpayers some money.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Just give em enough to OD and save the taxpayers some money.

Then the family would win millions in the lawsuit. 11k payout is the better deal, fiscally speaking.

 

[mxyzptlk]

It's kind of petty for the article to mention heroin when they surely must mean methadone. Though I understand that if they had been more honest, then the entire tone of the story would have to change. For example, it wouldn't be so shocking if diabetic prisoners had been compensated for being denied insulin.

Originally posted by: winnar111
Just give em enough to OD and save the taxpayers some money.

Now you're just being mean.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Just give em enough to OD and save the taxpayers some money.

Are 12 year olds allowed to register on the forums? Grow up.

 

[Dari]

It's the British, what else do you expect? They've fallen very far since losing their empire.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Dari
It's the British, what else do you expect? They've fallen very far since losing their empire.

But yet they have better health overall then Americans and higher life expactancys.
If that is sinking then I guess we are sunk.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Dari
It's the British, what else do you expect? They've fallen very far since losing their empire.

But yet they have better health overall then Americans and higher life expactancys.
If that is sinking then I guess we are sunk.

those are things we can fix. What they cannot fix is the pussification of the entire island.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Denying H would be silly, but they mean methadone or some other medicine I sm sure, if you have known what junkies go through or helped close friends kick H you would understand. If you do not you wouldnt have a clue really to amke a judgement call to be honest. H sddiction is physical and your body is not producing needed stuff in your brain thanks to tolerance.
I think I would rather be waterboarded or have my fingernails slowly pulled out. We are not talking about kicking cigs or denying someone weed.
Besides the fact that it is life-threatening to make a serious addict go cold-turkey. A junkies heart WILL stop randomly. Besides the worst imaginable agony they go through. It is a nightmare and I would count your blessings for being ignorant of what these folks go through.
H is terrible as it literally becomes part of the function of the body.

There is the option not to take Heroine in the first place.

unless you are a Saint, stfu, you have no right to judge anyone for their problems. we all have our own stories and for some they are most peoples worst nightmares. be it sexual abuse as a child or undiagnosed/untreated mental health issues, the psychology behind addiction can be quite complicated. as others have already pointed out in this thread, quitting cold turkey for some drugs is potentially deadly and this is a medical issue.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Dari
It's the British, what else do you expect? They've fallen very far since losing their empire.

But yet they have better health overall then Americans and higher life expactancys.
If that is sinking then I guess we are sunk.

those are things we can fix.

Only by defeating the flag icon idiots who are against 'fixing' it.

What they cannot fix is the pussification of the entire island.

There's no pussification there, there's idiotification here among the flag icon idiots.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Dari
It's the British, what else do you expect? They've fallen very far since losing their empire.

But yet they have better health overall then Americans and higher life expactancys.
If that is sinking then I guess we are sunk.

those are things we can fix.

Only by defeating the flag icon idiots who are against 'fixing' it.

What they cannot fix is the pussification of the entire island.

There's no pussification there, there's idiotification here among the flag icon idiots.

:laugh:

Many of the people you call "flag icon idiots" are all for "fixing" it - just not via socialized medicine.

 

[Carmen813]

Having watched my wife suffer through Dilaudid (which her doc described as legal heroin) withdrawals after chemotherapy has forever changed my view on addictions. Sure, it's fun to pick on junkies but addiction is a medical condition and should be treated as such.

Also, universal healthcare != socialized medicine. I know some like to say things over and over to try to convince the masses they are correct, but its basically lying to avoid a real debate.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Dari
What they cannot fix is the pussification of the entire island.

There's no pussification there, there's idiotification here among the flag icon idiots.

:laugh:

Many of the people you call "flag icon idiots" are all for "fixing" it - just not via socialized medicine.

You mean this fix?

Originally posted by: winnar111
Just give em enough to OD and save the taxpayers some money.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
I am sure they mean methadone, if you have known what junkies go through or helped close friends kick H you would understand.
If you do not you I will respectfully say you have no reason or credibility to be making a judgement call on a serious medical issue. H addiction is physical and your body is not producing needed stuff in your brain thanks to tolerance.
It is basiclly like denying someone functioning kidneys or a liver.
I think I would rather be waterboarded or have my fingernails slowly pulled out. We are not talking about kicking cigs or denying someone weed.
Besides the fact that it is life-threatening to make a serious addict go cold-turkey. A junkies heart WILL stop randomly. Besides the worst imaginable agony they go through. It is a nightmare and I would count your blessings for being ignorant of what these folks go through.
H is terrible as it literally becomes part of the function of the body.
Empty rhetoric about personal choice/responsibility and all ends when someone becomes a junkie, that choice and pretty much that person is gone once your body adjusts to H in the system. It becomes another physical need no less important then oxygen or food.
Bad shit, I recommend people to NEVER get near it if you value anything about yourself.
Becasue once you do, whoever you are as a person is gone and given over to opiates.

You know the soviets would have just taken you out back and shot you.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett


You know the soviets would have just taken you out back and shot you.

Another 12 year old poster? What is your damage? And what does this have to do with the OP?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Despite the wildest fantasies of some, the problem of what to do with these people exists, and you cannot shoot them and get away with it. Deal.

It ought to be understood that while heroin withdrawal is unpleasant at best, it is rarely fatal. I'd like to see statistics regarding the number of deaths due to "cold turkey". IWhen I looked it was vanishingly small. It's possible if the patient has other severe underlying conditions (such as a bad heart) however otherwise it's just miserable. If you think opiate/opioid withdrawal is bad, you should see what happens if someone is taken off amphetamines suddenly.

Nevertheless, there isn't a good reason to try to rehabilitate inmates. A program of withdrawal with methadone by far the better way to go. Taper them off under medical supervision, and everyone is better off. There isn't a reason to be cruel, and the rare fatality does happen.

 

[SP33Demon]

The concept is a no-brainer, they risk death so they should be allowed it on lower and lower doses. Aside from the concept, some of the people in this thread could be classified as such.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll never get the punishment hardon that people have for prisoners. Prisons and the state have the responsibility to look after the basic health and wellbeing of people they decide to incarcerate, for obvious reasons. Methadone is cheap, highly available, and highly effective. The guy wasn't in jail for being addicted to heroin, and suffering hideous withdrawal symptoms wasn't part of his sentence either.

If you think the guy should have been punished more for whatever crimes they committed that's fine, and maybe I'd even be with you on that. The whole fixation on punishment to the exclusion of easy, safe, effective, and cheap actions being taken by the state to mitigate severe suffering of the prisoners unrelated to the punishment awarded by the courts seems silly to me though.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'll never get the punishment hardon that people have for prisoners. Prisons and the state have the responsibility to look after the basic health and wellbeing of people they decide to incarcerate, for obvious reasons. Methadone is cheap, highly available, and highly effective. The guy wasn't in jail for being addicted to heroin, and suffering hideous withdrawal symptoms wasn't part of his sentence either.

If you think the guy should have been punished more for whatever crimes they committed that's fine, and maybe I'd even be with you on that. The whole fixation on punishment to the exclusion of easy, safe, effective, and cheap actions being taken by the state to mitigate severe suffering of the prisoners unrelated to the punishment awarded by the courts seems silly to me though.

Because a lot of people have no concept of compassion because they've had privileged lives with no hardships and they expect others to live up their limited understanding.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Dari
It's the British, what else do you expect? They've fallen very far since losing their empire.

But yet they have better health overall then Americans and higher life expactancys.
If that is sinking then I guess we are sunk.

I'll take worse health care any day of the year if I get to keep my principles.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: BoberFett


You know the soviets would have just taken you out back and shot you.

Another 12 year old poster? What is your damage? And what does this have to do with the OP?

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