Court overturns immunity for law enforcement for sending innocent man to prison 22 yr

[Oldgamer]

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Circuit Court Overturns Immunity For Law Enforcement Officials Who Sent An Innocent Man To Prison For 22 Years

This could have been a death penalty for this innocent man. Still feel that way about the death penalty?

 

[glenn1]

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Circuit Court Overturns Immunity For Law Enforcement Officials Who Sent An Innocent Man To Prison For 22 Years

This could have been a death penalty for this innocent man. Still feel that way about the death penalty?

Yes. Our system of trial by jury does not guarantee perfection but only fairness, and arguing against the death penalty on those grounds is being patently dishonest.

 

[alzan]

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Circuit Court Overturns Immunity For Law Enforcement Officials Who Sent An Innocent Man To Prison For 22 Years

This could have been a death penalty for this innocent man. Still feel that way about the death penalty?

Good to know there are still a few courts and judges that are willing to right the judicial wrongs that occur all too often.

Tragic case; the former convict should have his record expunged. His restitution should be made up of some monies from the LEO's and prosecutor's state funded pensions and retirement as well as money from the city or county.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes. Our system of trial by jury does not guarantee perfection but only fairness, and arguing against the death penalty on those grounds is being patently dishonest.

LOL

 

[werepossum]

Good, and yes.

All interrogations used as evidence should be videotaped, period.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Prosecution and LEO misconduct? IF SO, JAIL TIME along with some monetary losses. Pensions, bank balances, houses and boats.

 

[KK]

Any corrupt cops, judges, da's, deserve to be killed by quartering. There no excuse for it by someone in power.

 

[Paratus]

LOL

So to paraphrase Glenn

"Some of you innocents may die or be given life sentences but that's a chance I'm willing to take"
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[uclaLabrat]

Any corrupt cops, judges, da's, deserve to be killed by quartering. There no excuse for it by someone in power.

I think that might be a tad harsh. I'm all for dousing them in acid so the quartering goes faster :biggrin:

 

[Oldgamer]

Yes. Our system of trial by jury does not guarantee perfection but only fairness, and arguing against the death penalty on those grounds is being patently dishonest.

Uhhhhh... yea , right.. not. /facepalm

 

[TheVrolok]

Yes. Our system of trial by jury does not guarantee perfection but only fairness, and arguing against the death penalty on those grounds is being patently dishonest.

LOL.. Really? With a straight face?

 

[classy]

Yes. Our system of trial by jury does not guarantee perfection but only fairness, and arguing against the death penalty on those grounds is being patently dishonest.

What??????????????????

Lol, this is just plain idiotic

 

[glenn1]

So to paraphrase Glenn

"Some of you innocents may die or be given life sentences but that's a chance I'm willing to take"
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Fine, the jury system isn't perfect. Now offer your superior alternative.

 

[TheVrolok]

Fine, the jury system isn't perfect. Now offer your superior alternative.

No one is arguing for a replacement, we're simply stating that capital punishment is not reasonable in an imperfect system.

 

[glenn1]

No one is arguing for a replacement, we're simply stating that capital punishment is not reasonable in an imperfect system.

That's your opinion, and the overwhelmingly vast majority of voters disagree with you. If you think "beyond a reasonable doubt" and all the legal safeguards in place (especially in capital cases) aren't enough then you might as well argue no sentence is justifiable in an imperfect world. Or you end up with a situation like Guatanamo where instead of taking people prisoners they're simply killed at apprehension so as to avoid the tough legal questions later about how to deal with them.

 

[etrigan420]

If you think "beyond a reasonable doubt" and all the legal safeguards in place (especially in capital cases) aren't enough then you might as well argue no sentence is justifiable in an imperfect world.

Again...wat?

We're all pretty much in agreement that our "justice system" isn't perfect, yes?

How then, in an admittedly imperfect system, can you advocate for irreversible outcomes?

That is idiocy.

 

[glenn1]

Again...wat?

We're all pretty much in agreement that our "justice system" isn't perfect, yes?

How then, in an admittedly imperfect system, can you advocate for irreversible outcomes?

That is idiocy.

"Don't like capital punishment? Don't have one." And how about the irreversible outcomes for the victims of their crime?

Sorry if capital punishment offends your sense of decorum but you don't get to dictate, only express your opinion. So opinion noted, and the electorate has disagreed with you.

 

[theeedude]

Yes. Our system of trial by jury does not guarantee perfection but only fairness, and arguing against the death penalty on those grounds is being patently dishonest.

Arguing against death penalty because innocent people could be killed is patently dishonest?

 

[BoberFett]

"Don't like capital punishment? Don't have one." And how about the irreversible outcomes for the victims of their crime?

Sorry if capital punishment offends your sense of decorum but you don't get to dictate, only express your opinion. So opinion noted, and the electorate has disagreed with you.

What good does it to kill someone who had nothing to do with the victim's death? Do you also advocate killing a random person for unsolved murders?

 

[K1052]

That's your opinion, and the overwhelmingly vast majority of voters disagree with you. If you think "beyond a reasonable doubt" and all the legal safeguards in place (especially in capital cases) aren't enough then you might as well argue no sentence is justifiable in an imperfect world. Or you end up with a situation like Guatanamo where instead of taking people prisoners they're simply killed at apprehension so as to avoid the tough legal questions later about how to deal with them.

Are you trying to see how many logical fallacies you can squeeze into a single paragraph?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Arguing against death penalty because innocent people could be killed is patently dishonest?

Yeah, that is a hard argument for me to respect or even understand. The death penalty is, after all, the only irreversible form of punishment and it does, after all, lead to someone's death.

 

[realibrad]

"Don't like capital punishment? Don't have one." And how about the irreversible outcomes for the victims of their crime?

Sorry if capital punishment offends your sense of decorum but you don't get to dictate, only express your opinion. So opinion noted, and the electorate has disagreed with you.

You are ok with killing a few innocent people as long as we "usually" kill the right ones?

Is that a correct summation?

 

[Oldgamer]

You are ok with killing a few innocent people as long as we "usually" kill the right ones?

Is that a correct summation?

What is sad about this thinking is we aren't talking about a few innocents, we are talking thousands upon thousands being falsely imprisoned and convicted. They had a statistic somewhere in a report I read that said 1 in 5 on death row are innocent. It might have been LEAP but I can't remember, or it might have been the Washington Post.

Correction: That is one in 25.. just googled and found a butt ton of articles on it.

 

[Oldgamer]

Here is one of many articles that talks about this. http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/29/study-one-out-of-twenty-five-death-row-i

 

[HumblePie]

So the "supreme court" of the area (not SCOTUS) says that immunity to law enforcement, prosecutors, and even judges in this case can not protect where there is zero probable cause and all evidence is completely fabricated and willfully known to be? Just making sure I am reading that right.