Court: New Jersey Constitution Does Not Require Gay Marriage

[zendari]

NEWARK, N.J. -- There was another setback Tuesday for seven same-sex couples who want to marry in New Jersey.

An appeals court says the state constitution does not require the recognition of gay marriage.

The two-to-one decision upheld a lower court ruling from 2003.

The state had argued that the trend in this country is to limit marriage to one man and one woman. The state also said the law should only be changed by the Legislature.

The majority agreed, saying a time may come when society accepts the view.

The attorney for the couples said the ban on gay marriage is discrimination that should be struck down much like laws that once barred interracial couples from marrying.

The case is expected to go to the state Supreme Court.

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Great news, gays have done huge damage to both our states image and its finances already.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

"The attorney for the couples said the ban on gay marriage is discrimination that should be struck down much like laws that once barred interracial couples from marrying."

You don't agree it is discrimination? Remember, the church should be separate from the state. If your dioceses will not allow it, that is still discrimination, but it is their right. The state however....

 

[PatboyX]

i think it should recognize the marriage...however, i think the title of the thread is hilarious.
im in jersey, so...you know, im an authority.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Yeah I was not sure about the "require" part, but I just overlooked it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: zendariGreat news, gays have done huge damage to both our states image and its finances already.

Explain how please?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: zendari
gays have done huge damage to both our states image and its finances already.

lol, more of your mindless homophobic blather. I'd love to hear you explain how gays, as a group, have done "huge damage" to the image and finances of NJ.

 

[zendari]

Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

um, that is one guy. You are looking to the actions of one guy, and generalizing to an entire group of people (gay people). That is just stupidity and mindless homophobia on your part. And just how did Mcgreevey cause "huge damage" to the finances (or even the reputation) of NJ????

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

Was he actually corrupt or was he just corrupt because he was gay?

If he was actually corrupt (and being gay had NOTHING to do with it) what does his corruption have anything to do with gay people getting married and how that effects NJ finances? If you are talking about court costs, well too bad. No state should be allowed to discriminate against anyone, and if the state does (or people think they are) the people should get their day in court to try and prove it.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

Was he actually corrupt or was he just corrupt because he was gay?

If he was actually corrupt (and being gay had NOTHING to do with it) what does his corruption have anything to do with gay people getting married and how that effects NJ finances? If you are talking about court costs, well too bad. No state should be allowed to discriminate against anyone, and if the state does (or people think they are) the people should get their day in court to try and prove it.

He wasn't corrupt, he was just stupid. He gave a male lover of his a plum job (a job the guy was not qualified to do). Apart from that, he seems to have been a pretty decent governor.

edit: well, giving a friend a job is nepotism, which is a form of corruption. It's definitely not the worst form of corruption, tho. I think Mcgreevey let his d1ck make the decisions. He was a closet case (married, with kids) who had an affiar with a guy from Isreal, and ended up giving this guy a job. It's very inappropriate behavior, but it's not the worst form of corruption, I think it pales in comparison with the kind of dishonesty practiced by the Bush administration for example.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Most of the country has no idea of what he has done or cares.
Many many not even know who he is.

It is a NJ issue only.

The states image outside of the Mid-Atlantic states is Mobs & AC.

It sounds like you are trying to make a mountain out of an anthill. Your (you and other homophobics) actions will cause bigger dammage to the state's reputation and finances by trying to make this a national issue. It is local to NJ, let the NJ people sort this out.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

Was he actually corrupt or was he just corrupt because he was gay?

If he was actually corrupt (and being gay had NOTHING to do with it) what does his corruption have anything to do with gay people getting married and how that effects NJ finances? If you are talking about court costs, well too bad. No state should be allowed to discriminate against anyone, and if the state does (or people think they are) the people should get their day in court to try and prove it.

He wasn't corrupt, he was just stupid. He gave a male lover of his a plum job (a job the guy was not qualified to do). Apart from that, he seems to have been a pretty decent governor.

My new jackass governor, Matt Blunt, is giving away dozens of plum jobs for which they're not qualified to do (as well as no-bid contracts). OMG, he MUST be GAY!!!

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: zendari
gays have done huge damage to both our states image and its finances already.

lol, more of your mindless homophobic blather. I'd love to hear you explain how gays, as a group, have done "huge damage" to the image and finances of NJ.

I would say accepting a garbage barge a few years back that no one else would hurt the NJ image more than the governor being outted. But that is just my opinion.....you see trash barges and your state being the landfill capitol of the country as being good for your image while having a gay couple living a life of commitment and love to each other as bad.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

What does that have to do with being gay? If you are going to make such gross generalizations, why stop there? Not only was he gay, but he was a man! Maybe you should look into getting rid of all men.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: datalink7
If you are going to make such gross generalizations, why stop there? Not only was he gay, but he was a man! Maybe you should look into getting rid of all men.

heh, I was going to say something like that.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

oh damn!
corrupt politicians...
in new jeresey!!!!!
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!?!?
it must be because he is gay.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

What does that have to do with being gay? If you are going to make such gross generalizations, why stop there? Not only was he gay, but he was a man! Maybe you should look into getting rid of all men.

He was corrupt because he was gay, and he was forced to resign because he was gay.

He did one good thing though: NJ swung to a 7% gap compared to a 15% gap thanks to Mcgreevey and his shenanigans.

 

[ElFenix]

the guy tried to play the gay card when he left office.

 

[piasabird]

He was corrupt and he used his gay status as an excuse to resign.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: piasabird
He was corrupt and he used his gay status as an excuse to resign.

yeah, that makes sense.
its so much easier to deal with fallout from publicly coming out of the closet, admiting to affairs outside of ones marriage and somehow deal with your wife and kids than it is to deal with the fallout of being "corrupt." (which we have yet to get any details on from those outside of nj)

 

[ntdz]

Good.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: piasabird
He was corrupt and he used his gay status as an excuse to resign.

winner!

nj is better off without him. I'm looking foward to voting Corzine into office.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: zendari
Read up about our corrupt former governor Jim Mcgreevey. I am from NJ and it was a disgrace.

What does that have to do with being gay? If you are going to make such gross generalizations, why stop there? Not only was he gay, but he was a man! Maybe you should look into getting rid of all men.

He was corrupt because he was gay, and he was forced to resign because he was gay.

He did one good thing though: NJ swung to a 7% gap compared to a 15% gap thanks to Mcgreevey and his shenanigans.

OH MY GOD! GEORGE BUSH IS A FLAMING HOMOSEXSUAL i love you! AIEE!!!!!

WHO WOULDA THUNK IT!

 

[glenn1]

An appeals court says the state constitution does not require the recognition of gay marriage.

While I have no doubt that there are those out there who will disagree with this ruling, it's on solid legal ground (the principle of non-intervention, e.g. where the Constitution is silent on an issue it's presumed to be the Legislature's responsibility to decide how to resolve it). While I would agree that a NJ state law saying gays can't marry is a stupid law, that doesn't mean it's unconstitutional. To me, it's not really the job of courts to decide which laws deserve to be struck down for the sole reason that it's a stupid law.