Court Enforces School's Ban of Anti-Gay Shirt

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SAN FRANCISCO ? A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.

The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.

A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely to prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."

Tyler Chase Harper sued the Poway Unified School District in San Diego federal court after the principal at Poway High School refused to let the student attend class wearing a T-shirt scrawled with the message "homosexuality is shameful."

Harper was a sophomore at Poway High in 2004 when he wore the T-shirt the day after a group called the Gay-Straight Alliance held a "Day of Silence" to protest intolerance of gays and lesbians. The year before, the campus was disrupted by protests and conflicts between students over the Day of Silence.

After Harper refused to take off the T-shirt, Poway High School's principal kept Harper out of class and assigned him to do homework in a conference room for the rest of the day. He was not suspended from school.

On Thursday, the three-judge appeals court panel said "the school is permitted to prohibit Harper's conduct...if it can demonstrate that the restriction was necessary to prevent either the violation of the rights of other students or substantial disruption of school activities."

The opinion, written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt and joined by Judge Sydney Thomas for a 2-1 ruling, didn't decide the merits of the student's lawsuit, which will be heard in federal court in San Diego.

Judge Alex Kozinski wrote a blistering dissent, arguing that the high school had in effect authorized a heated debate over sexual orientation when it allowed the "Day of Silence."

"Harper's T-shirt was not an out-of-the-blue affront to fellow students who were minding their own business," Kozinski wrote. "Rather, Harper wore his T-shirt in response to the Day of Silence, a political activity that was sponsored or at the very least tolerated by school authorities."

Jack Sleeth, a school district attorney, said that the 9th Circuit ruling supports the district's prohibition against T-shirts with messages that are offensive to some.

"When it violates the rights of other, then it can be prohibited," Sleeth said. "It is that simple of an issue."

Robert Tyler, an attorney for Harper, said he may wait until the main case is decided before determining if further appeals are necessary.

"Mr. Harper's speech was censored," Tyler said. "There wasn't any disruption, but there was concern that it was politically incorrect."


I wonder whether the school does the same for proabortion and/or prohomosexual tshirts.
Great to see schools sponsoring this "Day of Silence".

Well, in a short time there will be 1 more case to tack on to the lengthy list of 9th circuit overturned decisions.
 

Steeplerot

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*yawn* there is no such animal as "pro-abortion" its pro-choice, that is like saying being pro-root canal noone likes invasive surgery. And their is no such thing as pro-homosexual, that is like saying someone is pro-elbow or kneecap.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari

I wonder whether the school does the same for proabortion and/or prohomosexual tshirts.
Great to see schools sponsoring this "Day of Silence".

Well, in a short time there will be 1 more case to tack on to the lengthy list of 9th circuit overturned decisions.

:cookie:

Zen, seriously, that much hatred can't be good for you. You need to let it go.

I support the court's decision, same as I would if they supported a school banning swasticas, racist messages, or other material in that vein designed specifically to offend and hurt.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
*yawn* there is no such animal as "pro-abortion" its pro-choice, that is like saying being pro-root canal noone likes invasive surgery. And their is no such thing as pro-homosexual, that is like saying someone is pro-elbow or kneecap.

Nobody likes war either, but you use the phrase pro-war.
 

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Originally posted by: Abraxas
Originally posted by: zendari

I wonder whether the school does the same for proabortion and/or prohomosexual tshirts.
Great to see schools sponsoring this "Day of Silence".

Well, in a short time there will be 1 more case to tack on to the lengthy list of 9th circuit overturned decisions.

:cookie:

Zen, seriously, that much hatred can't be good for you. You need to let it go.

I support the court's decision, same as I would if they supported a school banning swasticas, racist messages, or other material in that vein designed specifically to offend and hurt.

Maybe the school shouldn't sponsor Gay Day if they don't want people wearing Gay themed shirts.
 
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How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
*yawn* there is no such animal as "pro-abortion" its pro-choice, that is like saying being pro-root canal noone likes invasive surgery. And their is no such thing as pro-homosexual, that is like saying someone is pro-elbow or kneecap.
Nobody likes war either, but you use the phrase pro-war.
Plenty of people like war. Funny how you hijack your own thread in a matter of a few posts.
 

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So you can not be pro-homosexual because homosexuality is a bad thing. This is what you just said. Do you even realize it?

Hmm maybe a T-Shirt Supporting the concept of "Straight Pride Day!"

What will happen is someone will ask a judge to rule that no T-shirts with any writing saying or slogan can ever be worn to school.
 

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There is a difference between creating a day for people to discuss such issues intelligently or simply being quiet for a day in protest and branding yourself with hate speech. Clearly this student had to intention of doing that and the school decided they didn't want that kind of conduct taking place in their halls anymore than they would want him saying "homosexuality is shameful" to everyone he came accross. Particularly so when other incidents had arrisen due to like conduct in the past.

Likewise, if someone were to wear a shirt "Homosexual bashers need to die", I would support them telling them not to wear it any further, starting now.
 

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.
 
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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.


Hahaha! :laugh:

Continue with your double standard.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

Once again (since the first 1000 times didn't sink in)......There is a HUGE difference between political statements and hate speech. Let me help you out Zen:

Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a group of people based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, or disability. The term covers written as well as oral communication.
 

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I would have a problem if someone banned this gentleman from wearing the Tshirt outside of school grounds. In school, on the other hand, rules of etiquette supercede free speech, simply because they are necessary for an educational environment.

Frankly, I think all public schools should mandate uniforms.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.

Slippery slope we are sliding down when we have the state outlaw certain speech in the name of tolerance.

What stops the state from outlawing saying bad things about the state? And when you do badmouth it end up in jail?

I never understood support for creating laws outlawing hate speech or deeming one type of crime a "hate" crime.

This is one group of people using the state to oppress another based on their utopian dream of tolerance. Kind of silly when you think about it. Outlawing intolerance by being intolerant of somebody else views.


 

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Originally posted by: zendari


Maybe the school shouldn't sponsor Gay Day if they don't want people wearing Gay themed shirts.

WTF is "gay day"? Of course you mis characterize/lie, much like your heroes in DC. Day of Silence looks to be where students can choose to be silent during part of the day. I'm not sure how that compares to an offensive shirt. Students do not have freedom speech, schools can throw a kid out or make him/her change if they deem so. This will not be overruled, I'm not sure how there isn't ten precedents already for this.
 
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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.


Hahaha! :laugh:

Continue with your double standard.

Ok zenny, believe what you want. One is critical, the other is hate speech. Being the massive homophobe you are, of course you feel this was wrong.
You really have no clue. I almost feel sorry for you.

 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
*yawn* there is no such animal as "pro-abortion" its pro-choice, that is like saying being pro-root canal noone likes invasive surgery. And their is no such thing as pro-homosexual, that is like saying someone is pro-elbow or kneecap.

Nobody likes war either, but you use the phrase pro-war.



That is such crap, warmongers LOVE war and all its toys, talk endlessly of how big explosions are what military equipment makes america p3nor so big etc etc.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.


Hahaha! :laugh:

Continue with your double standard.
In a search all your posts Zendari one thing stands out.
You almost never write more than a sentence at a time. I assume you are incapable of intelligent and reasoned debate.
You can't seem to put together a more cogent thought than your idol Bush.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.


Hahaha! :laugh:

Continue with your double standard.

Ok zenny, believe what you want. One is critical, the other is hate speech. Being the massive homophobe you are, of course you feel this was wrong.
You really have no clue. I almost feel sorry for you.

It is a double standard and you have to be a fool to believe otherwise. Free speech is free speech. Not free speech when it is convienient, or it doesnt offend you.


 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
*yawn* there is no such animal as "pro-abortion" its pro-choice, that is like saying being pro-root canal noone likes invasive surgery. And their is no such thing as pro-homosexual, that is like saying someone is pro-elbow or kneecap.

Nobody likes war either, but you use the phrase pro-war.



That is such crap, warmongers LOVE war and all its toys, talk endlessly of how big explosions are what military equipment makes america p3nor so big etc etc.

Look, another hypocrite.

 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.

Slippery slope we are sliding down when we have the state outlaw certain speech in the name of tolerance.

What stops the state from outlawing saying bad things about the state? And when you do badmouth it end up in jail?

I never understood support for creating laws outlawing hate speech or deeming one type of crime a "hate" crime.

This is one group of people using the state to oppress another based on their utopian dream of tolerance. Kind of silly when you think about it. Outlawing intolerance by being intolerant of somebody else views.


Because hate speech is not expressing an opinion it is denying ones freedom to carry out a productive life over something they cannot change. Usually it is a majority vs. a minority situation also.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
How long have you been a homophobe zenny? What if it was anti-women or anti-black? I don't see a difference, and he would get his ass thrown out hard for either of those. It promotes violence against a group of individuals, and before you say it doesn't, it does. What if the shirt said christianity is shameful, and he was told to take it off, would you agree with that?

You mean cases like Text, where the kid wears an anti-Bush tshirt?

Looks like the courts oked that one.

That's free speech, you really don't get it do you? We can criticize the prez all we want, however, if it's towards a, now follow me, I'll type slowly for you, minority, ethnic, gender etc, that is the problem.


Hahaha! :laugh:

Continue with your double standard.
In a search all your posts Zendari one thing stands out.
You almost never write more than a sentence at a time. I assume you are incapable of intelligent and reasoned debate.
You can't seem to put together a more cogent thought than your idol Bush.


Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.