Couple Arrested for Wearing Anti-Bush T-Shirts...Trespassing??...UPDATE: Charges DROPPED!

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UPDATE: 7/15/04
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/July/15/update.htm



FEMA worker ordered home

Woman, husband wore T-shirts with anti-Bush logo at July Fourth rally
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2004070734
A worker with the Federal Emergency Management Agency who wore an anti-Bush T-shirt at the president?s July Fourth rally in Charleston has been sent home to Texas.

Nicole Rank, who was working for FEMA in West Virginia, and her husband, Jeff, were removed from the Capitol grounds in handcuffs shortly before Bush?s speech. The pair wore T-shirts with the message ?Love America, Hate Bush.?

The Ranks were ticketed for trespassing and released. They have been given summonses to appear in court, Charleston Police Lt. C.A. Vincent said Wednesday.


FEMA spokesman Ross Fredenburg would not say Wednesday whether Nicole Rank had been fired.

?All we can say is that our federal coordinating officer, Lou Botta, sent Nicole home,? he said. ?We cannot comment further, to protect her privacy. Federal privacy laws prevent us from saying anything.?

Rank was doing environmental work for FEMA, Fredenburg said. ?Nicole was deployed here after the Memorial Day flooding. I knew her personally ... We are reservists and work for intermittent periods of time.?

Fredenburg said Jeff Rank did not work for FEMA. He would not say where in Texas the Ranks live.

On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.

The White House coordinated the president?s visit to the state Capitol. Organizers described it as a presidential visit, not a political rally. State and federal funds were used to pay for the presidential visit.

Dozens of people who attended Sunday?s event wore pro-Bush T-shirts and Bush-Cheney campaign buttons, some of which were sold on the Capitol grounds outside the security screening stations.

U.S. Secret Service officers coordinated security workers, including West Virginia State Police, state park officers and Capitol security officers.

Those who attended Bush?s speech were required to have tickets that were distributed by various employers in the area and by the office of Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.

Those who applied for tickets were required to supply their names, addresses, birth dates, birthplaces and Social Security numbers.

A two-page document given to ticket holders said they were prohibited from bringing certain items to the event, including: weapons, video-recording equipment, food, beverages, umbrellas, signs and banners. T-shirts, political buttons and lapel pins were not on the list of prohibited items.


Robert Bastress, a West Virginia University law professor who specializes in civil liberties, questions whether people like the Ranks can be legally prohibited from wearing anti-Bush shirts or buttons.

?Obviously, you have a right to engage in nondisruptive protest,? he said. ?If you were legally there, you cannot be asked to leave because of whatever message is on a button or a T-shirt or a hat.?

He said key questions are ?whether the [Bush speech] was a public forum, whether you were lawfully there and what was the manner in which you were engaging in your expression.?

Event organizers could prohibit signs, designating a place where people could carry signs. ?But they can?t make those decisions based on what the content of any sign says.?

Bastress also said it makes no difference whether Sunday?s event was an official presidential visit or a political rally.

?That area was open to anybody who had a ticket,? he said. ?Once you were lawfully in there, you were entitled to even-handed treatment.?


Give up one's SSN to attend a Bush rally??? WTF?
 

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On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.
That is the key line, right there. Anything about their t-shirts is irrelevant.
 

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" quote:
On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.


That is the key line, right there. Anything about their t-shirts is irrelevant. "

Yes, but if others were in the same area and they were singled out because of their Anti Bush shirts?

Next they'll be claiming they are enemy combatants and locking them up without any rights whatsoever.
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: conehead433
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On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.


That is the key line, right there. Anything about their t-shirts is irrelevant. "

Yes, but if others were in the same area and they were singled out because of their Anti Bush shirts?

Next they'll be claiming they are enemy combatants and locking them up without any rights whatsoever.



Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: conehead433
" quote:
On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.


That is the key line, right there. Anything about their t-shirts is irrelevant. "

Yes, but if others were in the same area and they were singled out because of their Anti Bush shirts?

Next they'll be claiming they are enemy combatants and locking them up without any rights whatsoever.
Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.

Why weren't others arrested then? Seems the t-shirts *are* relevant.

It's early in this story. I'm sure we'll hear more later.
 

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.

Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
FEMA worker ordered home

Those who attended Bush?s speech were required to have tickets that were distributed by various employers in the area and by the office of Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.

Those who applied for tickets were required to supply their names, addresses, birth dates, birthplaces and Social Security numbers.

A two-page document given to ticket holders said they were prohibited from bringing certain items to the event, including: weapons, video-recording equipment, food, beverages, umbrellas, signs and banners. T-shirts, political buttons and lapel pins were not on the list of prohibited items.


Give up one's SSN to attend a Bush rally??? WTF?[/quote]

Bushie is making a couple of stops here (PA) today and when they reported it on the news earlier in the week (where they were offering tickets to one of the events), they said the same thing. I'm wondering WTF they need with all that identifying information as well (unless registering permits them to do background checks on attendees--wouldn't surprise me)
 

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.
That is the key line, right there. Anything about their t-shirts is irrelevant.

lol....

Dohh....breaking the law had nothing to do with it. They were wearing a derogative anti-bush t-shirt. It's that blasphemous patriot act I say!!!

hahah
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: cougarls88
Originally posted by: conjur
FEMA worker ordered home

Those who attended Bush?s speech were required to have tickets that were distributed by various employers in the area and by the office of Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.

Those who applied for tickets were required to supply their names, addresses, birth dates, birthplaces and Social Security numbers.

A two-page document given to ticket holders said they were prohibited from bringing certain items to the event, including: weapons, video-recording equipment, food, beverages, umbrellas, signs and banners. T-shirts, political buttons and lapel pins were not on the list of prohibited items.


Give up one's SSN to attend a Bush rally??? WTF?

Bushie is making a couple of stops here (PA) today and when they reported it on the news earlier in the week (where they were offering tickets to one of the events), they said the same thing. I'm wondering WTF they need with all that identifying information as well (unless registering permits them to do background checks on attendees--wouldn't surprise me)[/quote]


Standard Secret Service routine. Given todays environment, that is standard protocol.
 
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Next they'll be claiming they are enemy combatants and locking them up without any rights whatsoever.
from your fingers to fate's ears.. hopefully

anti-Americans like that are just terrorists in disguise.
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.

Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.



BS it isn't acceptable treatment. It sure is. I'm not going to let you tell me they can break they law and get away with it so long as other people do it, and never get in trouble for it.
 

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.

Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.



BS it isn't acceptable treatment. It sure is. I'm not going to let you tell me they can break they law and get away with it so long as other people do it, and never get in trouble for it.
You, sir, don't deserve to be an American.
 

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Next they'll be claiming they are enemy combatants and locking them up without any rights whatsoever.
from your fingers to fate's ears.. hopefully

anti-Americans like that are just terrorists in disguise.

So if I'm 'anti-American' (whatever the hell that is) that automatically makes me a terrorist? Please. :roll:

Honestly, so many people caught up in this bipolar black and white partisan bull sometimes have the most questionable lemming-thought patterns that it's incredible.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: conehead433
" quote:
On Sunday, Charleston Police Sgt. R.E. Parsons said Nicole and Jeff Rank were in a no-trespassing area and refused to leave.


That is the key line, right there. Anything about their t-shirts is irrelevant. "
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.

Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.



BS it isn't acceptable treatment. It sure is. I'm not going to let you tell me they can break they law and get away with it so long as other people do it, and never get in trouble for it.
You, sir, don't deserve to be an American.

You, sir, need to pull your head out of your ass.
 

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I'll tell you what. If I was running an event and people were trespassing, I'd sure as hell throw the ones with Jewish noses out first.

Zephyr
 

Genx87

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Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.

Who told you that?

btw nice sensationalizing to the original poster. Why is it people who trespass and get thrown in jail always have a political statement?

Probably because they are class c A-holes who like to make a scene. When they are thrown in jail the typical ignorants come to their defense.

Case in point.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Next they'll be claiming they are enemy combatants and locking them up without any rights whatsoever.
from your fingers to fate's ears.. hopefully

anti-Americans like that are just terrorists in disguise.

wow, republicans are lucky to have you...

it's funny people don't learn from history, 50 years back we'd have the same conversation except the keyword would be "communists" rather than "terrorists"
 

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Doesn't matter how many people were breaking the law. The fact is they were and they were caught. The Tshirt is irrelevant.

Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.



BS it isn't acceptable treatment. It sure is. I'm not going to let you tell me they can break they law and get away with it so long as other people do it, and never get in trouble for it.

You COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY miss the point. The point is, if others were in that area it is quite LIKELY that they were not told in advance that was a prohibited area, furthermore if others were in the same area and ONLY the t-shirt wearers were arrested, they have been denied equal protection under the law. Selective enforcement is NOT legal. Right now it is just hearsay if they were told in advance, for all we know the cops could have just walked up and put on the cuffs and taken them away, we haven't heard the other side of the story yet, which could be that no one was told that area was off limits and that they were arrested without warning. Not saying that IS what happened, but it is within the realm of possibility.
 

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
I'll tell you what. If I was running an event and people were trespassing, I'd sure as hell throw the ones with Jewish noses out first.

Zephyr

Hell no! It'd solve most of our middle east problems, but God, man, who would we raise campaign funds from then?
 

Thump553

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The real story here is that President Bush is using our tax money to pay for what is quite clearly a partisan political rally. He's certainly not the first elected official to do this, but he is certainly one of the most flagrant.

I hope that couple fight this all the way. Odds are the charges will be quietly dropped later as the Bush campaign got what it wanted-removal of dissenting voices from a de facto campaign rally.
 

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Originally posted by: Thump553
The real story here is that President Bush is using our tax money to pay for what is quite clearly a partisan political rally. He's certainly not the first elected official to do this, but he is certainly one of the most flagrant.

I hope that couple fight this all the way. Odds are the charges will be quietly dropped later as the Bush campaign got what it wanted-removal of dissenting voices from a de facto campaign rally.

And then they restrict it to only supporters. I guess you really have to support Bush to be a True American.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Actually it matters a lot whether this was 'getting caught' or 'being singled out'. You can fight something as simple as a parking ticket if you can proove your neighbor committed the same offence at the same time (i.e. that the ticketing officer must have been aware of this) without being ticketed. So if hte area was full of people, and only they were asked to leave, it is not acceptable treatment. If they were the only ones there, then there's no reason to suspect their treatment was related to the shirts they were wearing; only then are the Tshirts irrelevent.

Who told you that?

btw nice sensationalizing to the original poster. Why is it people who trespass and get thrown in jail always have a political statement?

Probably because they are class c A-holes who like to make a scene. When they are thrown in jail the typical ignorants come to their defense.

Case in point.
I suggest you worry about you own ignorance before ripping others. I've seen your posts. You have no room to talk.

Anyway, we need more details, but here's how it often works: The Ranks were in the same area as all of the other public with tickets to the rally. Nicole Rank was wearing a politically incorrect shirt, however. She was asked to leave -- solely because of her critical shirt -- and she refused, or at least resisted. She probably pointed out she had a First Amendment right to express herself. She was absolutely right, but that's irrelevant to King George's jack-boots. She and her husband were hauled off in cuffs and charged with trespassing for refusing to leave. The trespassing charge is bogus, but it solved the immediate problem without raising the Constitutional issue.

In short, it is just another example of why I think this administration is more fascist than conservative. I scoff at the hypocrisy of the Bush fan-boys who support trampling the First Amendment like this. They are generally the same ideologues who routinely blasted Communist governments for exactly the same behaviors.
 

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http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/July/15/update.htm
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Trespassing charges against two people who wore anti-Bush T-shirts to the president?s July 4 rally at the West Virginia Capitol were dropped Thursday because a city ordinance did not cover trespassing on Statehouse grounds.

Nicole and Jeff Rank of Corpus Christi, Texas, were removed from the event in restraints after taking off an outer layer of clothes to reveal homemade T-shirts that had President Bush?s name with a slash through it and the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back.

The Ranks were given summonses to appear in Charleston Municipal Court and released.

Charleston Municipal Judge Carole Bloom dismissed the charges on the motion of Assistant City Attorney Deloris Martin.

Nicole Rank, 30, who was doing environmental work for the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the wake of Memorial Day flooding in the state, was released from her position after her arrest without getting another assignment. She remains employed with FEMA.

Jeff Rank, 28, who is an unemployed oceanographer, was in West Virginia to be with her.

She said Thursday it is not uncommon to leave one FEMA job before being assigned another, although she had expected to work in West Virginia longer.

The couple said they were pleased with the case?s outcome and planned to return to Texas immediately.

Jeff Rank said the couple did not go the Capitol with the intention of being arrested. They are supporters of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry, but wanted to take advantage of an opportunity to see Bush and "give him a fair hearing."

"We certainly did not expect to be arrested for expressing our freedom of expression," Jeff Rank said.

He said they were not protesting in any other way than simply wearing the shirts and did not said anything.

Law enforcement officers told the couple to take the shirts off, cover them or get out. When they refused and sat down, they were arrested. They then stood and accompanied the police, said Charleston Mayor Danny Jones.


The Ranks said they have not protested at other political events and do not have any immediate plans to do so again.

"We?ll continue to exercise our right to free expression when we see fit. We?re not professional protesters," Jeff Rank said. "We?re going to get on with our lives and go back to Texas and get jobs."

Jones said, "I don?t think this was just about a T-shirt issue. There were other things going on there. The officers, quite frankly, feared for the safety of the Ranks."

Jones said the city officers who filed the trespassing charges were acting under the direction of the Secret Service.

"The officers are in a bind here," Jones said.

"I think we need some guidance. Perhaps the Secret Service should have been called and let the Secret Service do with them what they want," Jones said.

"The city of Charleston does not engage in violating people?s rights. We want everybody to come here," said Jones, a Republican.

Still, he said he would not apologize to the Ranks.

"They were there to get arrested. They succeeded."


Jones said he would talk to police before Kerry?s appearance Thursday evening at the University of Charleston. The Massachusetts senator was scheduled to appear at a rally on a lawn across the Kanawha River from the Capitol.

The Ranks were accompanied to the hearing by an attorney affiliated with the American Civil Liberties Union.

Andrew Schneider, executive director of the ACLU?s West Virginia chapter, said the organization has been monitoring a pattern of similar cases in other states. The ACLU in September filed a federal lawsuit against the Secret Service, seeking an injunction against the Bush administration for segregating protesters at his public appearances.

The Secret Service agreed to stop the practice, ACLU attorney Witold Walczak told The Charleston Gazette.


Schneider said, "This case demonstrates we will be out there watching and monitoring to make sure free speech rights are not violated regardless of political affiliation."


Great mayor there. :roll:

And to all those who said the Ranks were in area where they should not have been...well.... :p :p
 

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What we need is to let the right create a Nazi state like they want and then have a revolution and subject them to every tactic they instituted.