counterstrike/linux

[heedoyiu]

has anyone got source and 1.6 to work if poss how?with linux of course

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Cedega.

Their games database.

Their forums.

 

[Malak]

Just dual boot windows if you want to game :roll:

 

[heedoyiu]

i heard of cedega yet you have to pay and the dual boot is out due to limited hard drive space and well the 90 bucks i could cheat windows yet i dont like that

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
i heard of cedega yet you have to pay and the dual boot is out due to limited hard drive space and well the 90 bucks i could cheat windows yet i dont like that

Well games are made for Windows. If you want to game, use windows.

 

[Enfer Singe]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
i heard of cedega yet you have to pay and the dual boot is out due to limited hard drive space and well the 90 bucks i could cheat windows yet i dont like that

Well games are made for Windows. If you want to game, use windows.

I'll agree that if you are a hardcore gamer you should use windows, if only for gaming....but that doesn't mean that all games are made exclusively for windows. This is the second time I have seen you say that, and it is not true.

e: sorry op, forgot to address your question. If cedega isn't working out, try wine. It should work for Counter Strike, and most of your windows programs.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Enfer Singe
I'll agree that if you are a hardcore gamer you should use windows, if only for gaming....but that doesn't mean that all games are made exclusively for windows. This is the second time I have seen you say that, and it is not true.

Games are made primarily for windows. Sure, some are made for alternative OS's, but the majority are for windows. If you want to game, you use windows. End of story.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
i heard of cedega yet you have to pay and the dual boot is out due to limited hard drive space and well the 90 bucks i could cheat windows yet i dont like that

$5/month, 3 month minimum = $15. Download and use, renew when/if you ever need support for another game that isn't supported in the current version. There is a free version as well, but I don't think it works with Steam. Good luck.

 

[TGS]

Actually it seems that lately more games are made with DirectInput in mind. Which really has nothing to do with the graphics. If you notice, a lot of game engines, other than most notably Half-Life 2 and Far Cry's, are based on OpenGL.

The DirectX suite, was created for people to use Windows for 3D apps, along with the tied in functions for easier development. It's not so much a Direct3D vs OpenGL, moreso the DirectInput vs Linux Input/Ouput mechanisms.

Cedega is nice, though the underlying problem is you are behind the game availability curve. If you don't mind waiting longer, Linux can be a viable gaming platform.

 

[heedoyiu]

so i would just pay 15 buck and never have to pay a monthly fee when i use it, so just when i want to update the program? i thought you had to pay 5 a month and when you dont pay you cant play.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: TGS
Actually it seems that lately more games are made with DirectInput in mind. Which really has nothing to do with the graphics. If you notice, a lot of game engines, other than most notably Half-Life 2 and Far Cry's, are based on OpenGL.

Like what? Only game engines I know of that are openGL are any made by ID.

 

[TGS]

City of Heroes engine I believe. I haven't branched out to a lot of recent games. Unsure of unreal though I would tend to think it's OpenGL based, due to native linux support. Or at least have the OpenGL branch.

As for Cedega, you pay $5 bucks a month, minimum of 3 months. The program works after which, though you no longer get access to support or newer revisions of the software.

Edit:

I think I should lean moreso to a perception that most games included a OpenGL branch if it was Direct3D based. Directinput seems to be the issue why developers write for DX.

 

[w00t]

Windows is for Gamers with lots of tweaking windows can be good.

edit: Tweakxp

 

[heedoyiu]

then cedega seems the way to go i thought u had to keep paying so awsome thanks a ton now my 6gig hard drive can have linux cs source and what i was trying to get 1.6 so killer due to that windows takes up alot i just wanted bare essent

 

[magomago]

if you ahve a six gig HDD i HIGHLY reccomend getting a new one....even a single platter 40 gig will be MUCH faster. The age your hard drive is from is very slow, and you'll defnitely notice a huge jump in responsiveness by getting a new HDD

 

[magomago]

if you ahve a six gig HDD i HIGHLY reccomend getting a new one....even a single platter 40 gig will be MUCH faster. The age your hard drive is from is very slow, and you'll defnitely notice a huge jump in responsiveness by getting a new HDD


btw:

HOLY MOLEY to Cedega...I was browsing and didn't actually think that some games would be listed....Looks like once my classes end in three weeks i'm going to make a much stronger push to linux, especially considering WOW is supported!

How are the speeds BTW? How much of a slowdown should be expected?

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: TGS
Actually it seems that lately more games are made with DirectInput in mind. Which really has nothing to do with the graphics. If you notice, a lot of game engines, other than most notably Half-Life 2 and Far Cry's, are based on OpenGL.

Like what? Only game engines I know of that are openGL are any made by ID.

Don't know much about games do you?
http://www.opengl.org/applications/windows/games/

Of course the trend is toward MS propriatory stuff.

Don't worry, even the windows version of Quake3 required DirectX to function properly. Many games use their own OpenGL stuff for the actual gaming, but use DirectX/Direct3d stuff for other portions of the games, such as the starting menu. Black&White was one game that I know for a fact did this.

And it's less then a issue then it seems at first... DirectX/Direct3d vs OpenGL.

For instance both Farcry and Unreal engine can run with OpenGL as the renderer, even though they are technically 'directX' games. You have to edit a couple files or whatnot to do it, but it can be done. And with Farcry, if your using Nvidia, it's suppose to provide a nice performance boost (at the cost of a few visual blemishes)..

Unreal 2003/2004 (and mods and some other games based on Unreal Engine, like Postal2) for Linux runs native and use OpenGL + LibSDL + OpenAL to get all the functionality they need...

Plus Cedega actually works with some game developers specificly to get games to run in Linux properly... And Wine DirectX 9 support is slowly maturing.

Windows is still the best OS for gaming, by far, but if you want to go by pure numbers of games the PS2 + Xbox kicks Window's @ss several times over, and at considurable lesser price. The cost of the OS alone is usually more then a entire console platform, then you have to take in account the additional cost of hardware and etc etc.

If you use Linux for other reasons, other then gaming, then it's nice when you don't have to fork over a hundred bucks to have to reboot into the alternative OS and waste your disk space on it.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: magomago
if you ahve a six gig HDD i HIGHLY reccomend getting a new one....even a single platter 40 gig will be MUCH faster. The age your hard drive is from is very slow, and you'll defnitely notice a huge jump in responsiveness by getting a new HDD


btw:

HOLY MOLEY to Cedega...I was browsing and didn't actually think that some games would be listed....Looks like once my classes end in three weeks i'm going to make a much stronger push to linux, especially considering WOW is supported!

How are the speeds BTW? How much of a slowdown should be expected?

Depends on the game. Anywere from comparable speeds to a 20-30% hit in performance. Depends on how well they are programmed, and how well it is supported.

If your using ATI video card expect a huge slowdown, those drivers just plain suck. Always use Nvidia video card for Linux gaming if at all possible.

For instance the only game I use Cedega for is Sid Meir's Pirates! It had some choppiness when running the CGI sequenses and sometimes during random parts in the game it got choppy, but for the most part it runs smooth and I had no degragation in gameplay. Had to disable some visual stuff, but I think the support for the game has improved.. I just haven't tried it for a while.

Hardware is 2400+ AMD (32bit), 1gig RAM 333ddr, 5900xt (the cheaper version).

What I do is just install the 'Point2click' package and use that program's features to manage installing the actual Cedega engine and games and such. It installs everything into a .directoryname in your home folder.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: magomago
if you ahve a six gig HDD i HIGHLY reccomend getting a new one....even a single platter 40 gig will be MUCH faster. The age your hard drive is from is very slow, and you'll defnitely notice a huge jump in responsiveness by getting a new HDD


btw:

HOLY MOLEY to Cedega...I was browsing and didn't actually think that some games would be listed....Looks like once my classes end in three weeks i'm going to make a much stronger push to linux, especially considering WOW is supported!

How are the speeds BTW? How much of a slowdown should be expected?

Depends on the game. Anywere from comparable speeds to a 20-30% hit in performance. Depends on how well they are programmed, and how well it is supported.

If your using ATI video card expect a huge slowdown, those drivers just plain suck. Always use Nvidia video card for Linux gaming if at all possible.

For instance the only game I use Cedega for is Sid Meir's Pirates! It had some choppiness when running the CGI sequenses and sometimes during random parts in the game it got choppy, but for the most part it runs smooth and I had no degragation in gameplay. Had to disable some visual stuff, but I think the support for the game has improved.. I just haven't tried it for a while.

Hardware is 2400+ AMD (32bit), 1gig RAM 333ddr, 5900xt (the cheaper version).

What I do is just install the 'Point2click' package and use that program's features to manage installing the actual Cedega engine and games and such. It installs everything into a .directoryname in your home folder.

Hmmm I'll have to see than. I have a similar ystem with 512 megs of ram and a ti4200....I would think going to 1 gig seems to be mandatory, and i've been considering that for a while

Although upgrading my card is out of the question i replaced my mx420 just two months ago and i'll keep my ti4200 probably till NV65 or so

 

[drag]

512 would be enough..

Big games like Ut2004 and Doom3 will end up using almost all of it, so you'd have problems like choppy gameplay at the beginning of new levels as you wait on disk access to load up the new information and you'll get slow start up times as with your other applications as they would have to re-read themselves back into memory before you use them. However gameplay would be fine once everything is loaded up...

But then again a nice 512megs of RAM is like 34 bucks nowadays.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: TGS
Actually it seems that lately more games are made with DirectInput in mind. Which really has nothing to do with the graphics. If you notice, a lot of game engines, other than most notably Half-Life 2 and Far Cry's, are based on OpenGL.

Like what? Only game engines I know of that are openGL are any made by ID.

Don't know much about games do you?
http://www.opengl.org/applications/windows/games/

Read the list yourself. What I see is fits into 2 categories: Garbage and ID engine based games. So again, I ask, what game engines out there are openGL besides ID ones? Some in that list have openGL as an option, but aren't primarily openGL. For the most part, popular games today are directX, or running on an ID engine.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: TGS
Actually it seems that lately more games are made with DirectInput in mind. Which really has nothing to do with the graphics. If you notice, a lot of game engines, other than most notably Half-Life 2 and Far Cry's, are based on OpenGL.

Like what? Only game engines I know of that are openGL are any made by ID.

Don't know much about games do you?
http://www.opengl.org/applications/windows/games/

Read the list yourself. What I see is fits into 2 categories: Garbage and ID engine based games. So again, I ask, what game engines out there are openGL besides ID ones? Some in that list have openGL as an option, but aren't primarily openGL. For the most part, popular games today are directX, or running on an ID engine.

How many other generic 'engines' are out there?

The sort of stuff I care about is things like Crystal space, Orge 3d, Torque, and others I can't recall right now. Those are all game engines and are OpenGL based (except Orge, which can use Direct3d or OpenGL if you want).

Not that you'd care about stuff like that, it's more for Indie stuff.

 

[TGS]

Commericial games that I've played personally:

AmericanMcGees - Alice in Wonderland
Descent3
Duex Ex
Half Life
Heretic II
Hexen II
Hitman - Codename 47
Hitman 2 - Silent Assassin
Homeworld
Homeworld2
Tribes 1
Tribes 2
Unreal
Unreal, Tournament Edition, U.T. 2003

-ID Based if the descriptions are correct-
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Jedi Knight II : Jedi Outcast
QuakeII
Quake III Arena
Return To Castle wolfenstein
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
Soldier Of Fortune
Soldier Of Fortune II : Double Helix
Doom 3




Games that I've considered playing at one point.


Alone In The Dark 4
Kingping
Serious Sam / Serious Sam - The Second Encounter
Oni
Star Trek: Voyager - Elite Force
Rune & Rune: Halls of Valhalla
Medal of Honor
IL-2 Sturmovik

Granted they all aren't fantastic games, sometimes the story or gameplay can make up a lot for the graphics.