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IndyColtsFan

Lifer
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No it is not okay to lie, but I understand that it isn't possible to fix years of fuckups overnight. If you expected the dems to be miracle workers, you are naive. And yes the 9% (I thought it was 8%) is the optimism I was speaking about. There is a difference between outright lying and not accurately predicting the future.

You misunderstand me. I am not particularly picking on the Democrats. Republicans lie with the best of them.

Do you acuse your weatherman of lying everytime the forecast doesn't turn out exactly as he expected?

No, I accuse weathermen of being incompetent. :D
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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The spin is strong from the liberals already. What do you expect the house to do really? They cant pass much, it will get killed in the senate or vetoed by Obama. All they can really do is block legislation. Passing it with 1 chamber of congress is extremely difficult. If they propose spending cuts, tax cuts, or anything else like that do you really think Obama wont just veto it?

Get realistic.

You didn't notice that is depends who controls the debate? Interested parties will push the media to frame the debate to their advantage, and as has just been proven, the public will swallow it all and act accordingly.
 

Acanthus

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I see, so it is OK for politicians to lie as long as you don't consider the issues they lie about to be the top priority? About the economy, didn't Obama say that unemployment would not go above 9% (I forgot the exact number) if stimulus passed? Is that some of the "optimism" you spoke about?

It was already over 9% by the time it was enacted and money was doled out.

Stop spouting stupidity.
 

Siddhartha

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Here in CT, the GOP were running on:
1. No new taxes
2. Cut government
3. More jobs
4. Cut deficits
5. Stop Obama

If they do 1 they can't do 4.

If they do 2, cutting government spending during a slowly recovering economy, they will probably not be able to do 3.

They might be able to do 2 without hurting their supporters but I doubt it. But then they could stick it to the poor and "ILLEGAL ALIENS!!"

My money is on the GOP concentrates on 5 hoping the economy does not turn around by 2011-2012.
 

nyker96

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I'll be waiting for those surpluses.

:D

now that GOP is back I want my $350 tax rebate check and better health care in my work place! damn it, they keep making me pay more for health care! And while we at it, I want a economy like Clinton years!
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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The economy has already turned for those that needed it the least. Dow back up. And even BP cleared a profit.


I'm sure the success of those few will trickle down though, right?
 
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Acanthus

Lifer
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I'm not the one who spouted it. Obama was. We're at what, 9.6% or around that?

The timing of the quote does not match the unemployment at the time.

It rose before it was passed and money began flowing. Call it the slow ineptness of the government or just a statistic that assumed instant action. Either way, the quote is very out of context and repeating it is just silly.
 

Fern

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then you should wait for the dems. we think you should actually work for it.

god damn you are a idiot.

The only thing the Republicans are going to do now is continue to obstruct anything and everything as they have been.

Since the Repubs control the House, where legislation originates, it's not clear to me how they will "obstruct anything and everything".

Seems like the Repubs in the House would pass bills they like then send them over to the Senate. In which case the Senate, i.e., Dems, would be obstructing by not passing etc.

If something managed to actually get through the Senate, I'd expect Obama to veto it. In that case, again, the Dems would be obstructing.

But I suppose its how Boehner handles it, or the MSM spins it.

Fern
 

HybridSquirrel

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Not trying to troll. But what is the GOP's plan to fix the economy and rebuild our surplus? Somehow it doesn't make sense that less taxes = more money for the government.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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Not trying to troll. But what is the GOP's plan to fix the economy and rebuild our surplus? Somehow it doesn't make sense that less taxes = more money for the government.

Their theory:

Lower taxes = more jobs = more tax revenue from those jobs

Never mind that every study done on the subject concludes that Amount Cut > Amount Gained. But surely the Republicans will cut spending enough to offset said cuts. :D
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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then you should wait for the dems. we think you should actually work for it.
You, sir, are full of win. I can't believe this thread continued beyond your post.

Well - I can believe it, I just can't explain it.
 

ericlp

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Well the GOP is back, i'm waiting for my $70k/yr job to fall from the sky.


Haha, You gonna have a long wait. They are gonna give all the cash to god and then if you pray hard enough you'll get your job back!

Good Luck tho!
 

werepossum

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Their theory:

Lower taxes = more jobs = more tax revenue from those jobs

Never mind that every study done on the subject concludes that Amount Cut > Amount Gained. But surely the Republicans will cut spending enough to offset said cuts. :D

You probably won't believe this, but the core of Republican economic theory is not based on increasing government's revenue. I know, it's shocking! It's like they don't even believe that government is the answer to all questions.

If it makes you feel any better, give them two to four years in D.C. and they WILL believe that government is the answer to all questions - just as long as Democrats (or Republican challengers) aren't in charge.
 

HybridSquirrel

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Their theory:

Lower taxes = more jobs = more tax revenue from those jobs

Never mind that every study done on the subject concludes that Amount Cut > Amount Gained. But surely the Republicans will cut spending enough to offset said cuts. :D

How are they going to create jobs then? Do they assume people aren't working because they have to pay income tax? Because thats what it seems like.

Also, why to they bash the stimulus? At least here in Colorado, it had created a lot of jobs. A lot of construction of roads that needed repairs have been funded, there are a lot of public works that put people in jobs that didn't exist before it. I understand it was a huge ammount of spending on the part of the government, but it has gotten people into jobs that weren't around a few years ago. Same is true for Hawai'i to an extent, there are a few public works projects being funded with stimulus money.

Another thing that I find funny. I have a lot of Tea Party/Republicans on my facebook. Probably about 20 of them that are actively involved in politics or care. 10 of them are collecting unemployment or other government assistance of some kind, and yet they vote for less government. My mind is full of fuck.
 
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Mr. Squirrel, you're mistake is trying to apply logic and data to the faith-based science of the right. Just believe really hard and it will come true.
 

HybridSquirrel

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Mr. Squirrel, you're mistake is trying to apply logic and data to the faith-based science of the right. Just believe really hard and it will come true.

I have been believing that god will somehow turn the $37.56 I have in my checking account into several hundred dollars for the past 3 days. I pray and pray at night, yet nothing.
 

ericlp

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Since the Repubs control the House, where legislation originates, it's not clear to me how they will "obstruct anything and everything".

Seems like the Repubs in the House would pass bills they like then send them over to the Senate. In which case the Senate, i.e., Dems, would be obstructing by not passing etc.

If something managed to actually get through the Senate, I'd expect Obama to veto it. In that case, again, the Dems would be obstructing.

But I suppose its how Boehner handles it, or the MSM spins it.

Fern

Did you figure this all out all by yourself? Isn't that what Bush did and any other 2 party system we had in place? God, you must be some fucking genius!

What's the difference? Between the Two? Absolutely nothing, whatever tool you voted in is going to do the same thing. Keep up with your brilliant thoughts!
 
Oct 16, 1999
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I have been believing that god will somehow turn the $37.56 I have in my checking account into several hundred dollars for the past 3 days. I pray and pray at night, yet nothing.

Pray harder. That money shall grow, and praise Republicans, for it is ultimately they who put that money there. Unless it doesn't grow, in which it is the fault of the vile Democrats.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Pray harder. That money shall grow, and praise Republicans, for it is ultimately they who put that money there. Unless it doesn't grow, in which it is the fault of the vile Democrats.

And the answer is . . .
then you should wait for the dems. we think you should actually work for it.

I know you guys don't believe it, but dphantom's post really is what true conservatives believe. If your checking account has only $37, perhaps YOU need to work more and spend less. Not G-d, not government, but YOU.