couldnt we have had something better than roads if there were no govt?

[Anarchist420]

just wondering what you thought... myself, i think it's wrong to say there would be no roads without the State since that doesnt acknowledge that we could possibly have something better than roads.

now, i realize that there were swamplands like a good portion of the weimar republic was, but that was likely due to other factors mainly the acts of war (as part of the Armistice of Versailles) waged against the german people.

 

[desy]

What, like hover cars?

 

[DominionSeraph]

We get it. You don't like government. Please shut up about it.

 

[Moonbeam]

We get it. You don't like government. Please shut up about it.

I think it's worse than that. I think he hates himself because he's dependent on what he hates. I think he would be in a better place if he could see the government isn't his enemy, that his real enemy is the delusions he's come to believe. If we can't provide some help for that unconscious trap he won't get any relief.

The roads we have were built by people forming a government and voting for them to be built. What you can do is build something for yourself. You may have to use a road to do it, or spend a government printed dollar, or eat government subsidized food, etc. but the actual effort will be yours and you can take pride in that.

 

[Newbian]

What, like hover cars?

We were promised flying cars and we still don't have them really.

 

[Anarchist420]

I think he hates himself because he's dependent on what he hates.

you think wrong.

 

[IronWing]

now, i realize that there were swamplands like a good portion of the weimar republic was, but that was likely due to other factors mainly the acts of war (as part of the Armistice of Versailles) waged against the german people.

The Entente created swamplands in the Weimar Republic?

 

[Anarchist420]

The Entente created swamplands in the Weimar Republic?

well, it may not have been swampy. but it probably didnt have roads as the autobahn didnt come until hitler became sovereign.

additionally, the forced payment of debt by germany to france was an act of war committed by france which took resources from the german people meaning that they couldnt have roads be they public or private.

 

[Moonbeam]

you think wrong.

How do you know?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

How do you know?

How do you know? From your own personal experience? Is that why you feel the need to say disparaging things about him? Does it make you feel like a bigger or better person?

 

[Moonbeam]

How do you know? From your own personal experience? Is that why you feel the need to say disparaging things about him? Does it make you feel like a bigger or better person?

Is being a bigger and better person important to you that you would imagine such a fault in me? How did you arrive at the feeling that's what I was doing. I thought my words clearly indicated not, but you see it anyway. Do you have personal experience at needing to feel bigger or better than other people?

 

[IronWing]

additionally, the forced payment of debt by germany to france was an act of war committed by france which took resources from the german people meaning that they couldnt have roads be they public or private.

Well that was the idea. Don't look to me to defend the conduct of any power involved in WWI. The best outcome of that war would have been for the soldiers on all sides to have shot their officers by week three, marched home, and overthrown to bozos who got them into it.

 

[werepossum]

Well that was the idea. Don't look to me to defend the conduct of any power involved in WWI. The best outcome of that war would have been for the soldiers on all sides to have shot their officers by week three, marched home, and overthrown to bozos who got them into it.

Amen. You'd think that not charging into fortified machine guns and artillery fire would be a lesson learned quite quickly, but WWI shows otherwise.

 

[IronWing]

Amen. You'd think that not charging into fortified machine guns and artillery fire would be a lesson learned quite quickly, but WWI shows otherwise.

I've been reading Lawrence in Arabia (a new book, not Lawrence's book). It describes a battle in Iraq where the British Indian troops inadvertently discover that a major Turkish fortification is all but unmanned early in the morning. They send word back to the main force urging them forward. The British general in charge decides that the action strays too far from his battle plan and orders the troops back to the line. A few hours later the general ordered the attack as planned. By then the Turks had moved up their forces and the British assault was repulsed. Four thousand British Indian troops died that morning.

 

[werepossum]

I've been reading Lawrence in Arabia (a new book, not Lawrence's book). It describes a battle in Iraq where the British Indian troops inadvertently discover that a major Turkish fortification is all but unmanned early in the morning. They send word back to the main force urging them forward. The British general in charge decides that the action strays too far from his battle plan and orders the troops back to the line. A few hours later the general ordered the attack as planned. By then the Turks had moved up their forces and the British assault was repulsed. Four thousand British Indian troops died that morning.

In war, indecision kills. Luckily for British generals, they stayed well out of the beaten zone. Unluckily for British soldiers, British generals stayed well out of the beaten zone.

4,000 is like the whole town I grew up nearest. (Except, you know, probably not so many of those British soldiers were women and children and old people. But numerically, there's an eerie resemblance.)

 

[piasabird]

Government is just people in society that cooperate for the common good. Anytime you get a bunch of people together you are not going to agree with everything. One person can not build a road by himself because it takes cooperation. Same with bridges, schools, hospitals, Parks, etc.

 

[JEDIYoda]

you think wrong.

Moonbeam --1 Anarchist420 -- 0

 

[Victorian Gray]

In war, indecision kills. Luckily for British generals, they stayed well out of the beaten zone. Unluckily for British soldiers, British generals stayed well out of the beaten zone.

4,000 is like the whole town I grew up nearest. (Except, you know, probably not so many of those British soldiers were women and children and old people. But numerically, there's an eerie resemblance.)

You might be surprised at how many British generals died (and what they died from) during WW I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:C...ish_Army_generals_who_died_during_World_War_I

 

[JManInPhoenix]

You might be surprised at how many British generals died (and what they died from) during WW I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:C...ish_Army_generals_who_died_during_World_War_I

The first one got me...
Charles Douglas (1914 deaths) (17 July 1850 – 25 October 1914) "due to strain and overwork"

 

[Doppel]

Ever heard the phrase don't throw out the baby with the bathwater?

 

[dawp]

Ever heard the phrase don't throw out the baby with the bathwater?

I think that maybe Anarchist420 problem, He was thrown out with the bath water.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Magic Capitalism presents: Flying Cars and other Anti-Gravity devices! We could have it right now if only Big Bad Government would get out of the way! (Or as John Galt might have said, "Get the hell out of my way!")

 

[Anarchist420]

Ever heard the phrase don't throw out the baby with the bathwater?

one of my professors asked me the same thing and in this particular case, transportation goes with roads so maybe roads can represent the bathwater and new transportation can represent an improved baby.

 

[Muse]

We get it. You don't like government. Please shut up about it.

Yeah, it's dumber than dumb. Government does what does not get done without it. Roads are a good example.