Could you fake following a religion to get your kids into a better school?

[justoh]

I don't think anyone should have a problem lying to an institution based on lies, in such a context, and the unwanted exposure consideration is silly since it can easily be mitigated by just talking to your would-or-may-be future child. If he or she isn't abused at home then he or she should be immune to religious influence, and learning more about it could only be helpful.

Should also consider that he or she would be surrounded by religious kids, which could be a depressing environment socially.

 

[JEDIYoda]

No. If a "better" school teaches a religion, then it's not a "better" school.

No, If a "better" school teaches a religion, then it is a "better" school.

 

[Ruptga]

No, If a "better" school teaches a religion, then it is a "better" school.

Have you ever tried eating the peanut butter off of a mouse trap? You seem like that kind of guy.

A better school isn't better if it any religious outlook it teaches is incompatible with mine. That's true for everyone whether they're a fundamentalist creationist or an apatheist, even though different people will have wildly different ideas of what they consider to be incompatible.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Have you ever tried eating the peanut butter off of a mouse trap? You seem like that kind of guy.

A better school isn't better if it any religious outlook it teaches is incompatible with mine. That's true for everyone whether they're a fundamentalist creationist or an apatheist, even though different people will have wildly different ideas of what they consider to be incompatible.

You didn`t understand...it is still a better school......has nothing to do with teaching religion or not......If a "better" school.......it has already been established that it is a "better" school!!

 

[Ruptga]

You didn`t understand...it is still a better school......has nothing to do with teaching religion or not......If a "better" school.......it has already been established that it is a "better" school!!

Ok fine, you have a technical victory there. My other point still stands.

 

[OverVolt]

Scientist Sues Calif University for Firing Him After His Dinosaur Discovery Supported Creationism
http://www.christianpost.com/news/s...osaur-discovery-supported-creationism-123906/

Lol what is that supposed to prove. That you can stay employed as a scientist for 30 years and think Dinosaurs were 4,000 years ago? Hooray science.

 

[OverVolt]

I don't think anyone should have a problem lying to an institution based on lies, in such a context, and the unwanted exposure consideration is silly since it can easily be mitigated by just talking to your would-or-may-be future child. If he or she isn't abused at home then he or she should be immune to religious influence, and learning more about it could only be helpful.

Lol right and public school is the beacon truth. Where an EMT in training gets hauled to the police for having a knife in his trunk as part of kit meant for cutting people out of seatbelts or the kid who ate his poptart into a gun. Zero tolerance and all that. I'm sure when they take the SAT there will be a commoncore bubble to fill out and if you can explain why you got the entire math section wrong you can score a 2400.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Fake a religion? No.

Send them to Catholic school, they don't care if you practice or not (around here at least)

 

[edro]

Hell no.

I am not going to confuse my child's most important educational years with fairy tales.

 

[OverVolt]

Hell no.

I am not going to confuse my child's most important educational years with fairy tales.

I literally lol'd at this.

 

[highland145]

Hell no.

I am not going to confuse my child's most important educational years with fairy tales.

How about Santa and the Easter Bunny?

 

[OverVolt]

How about Santa and the Easter Bunny?

Or Dr. Suess or the toothfairy?

Yea his kid will be cool.

 

[Eug]

Is it different in the states?

Of course. It's a completely different country. Hell, it's even different in Quebec.

Also the catholic high school here does require to take religion class, though it could be that changed at this point.

If it's a publicly funded Ontario catholic high school, then that requirement is not valid. However, the catholic school boards and school administrators continue to say the classes are required, because parents either don't know any better, or else can't be bothered to pursue it. I know people who did pursue this though, and none of them had to take those classes even though they initially were told they had to take those classes.

 

[highland145]

Or Dr. Suess or the toothfairy?

Yea his kid will be cool.

My kid's cool and we didn't lie to him for the 1st 8 years of his life.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You didn`t understand...it is still a better school......has nothing to do with teaching religion or not......If a "better" school.......it has already been established that it is a "better" school!!

For me teaching religion would automatically make the school terrible and not somewhere I'd want my child to attend. For others that aspect may add more value to what they see as an otherwise already good school. But that would almost certainly disqualify that school as an option for me, so it certainly wouldn't be 'better'.

 

[justoh]

For me teaching religion would automatically make the school terrible and not somewhere I'd want my child to attend. For others that aspect may add more value to what they see as an otherwise already good school. But that would almost certainly disqualify that school as an option for me, so it certainly wouldn't be 'better'.

It can be the case that alternatives are worse academically or might be physically unsafe.

Religious education is usually a small part of the curriculum. Don't really see the harm, unless they start believing it.

 

[edro]

Once your kid finds out the fairy tales are lies, he will resent you and feel ashamed for being fooled; not to mention being embarrassed at school when older kids make fun of them for believing.

Better to be up front from the beginning.

My kid is going to ruin your kid's fairy tales.

 

[Babbles]

For me teaching religion would automatically make the school terrible and not somewhere I'd want my child to attend. For others that aspect may add more value to what they see as an otherwise already good school. But that would almost certainly disqualify that school as an option for me, so it certainly wouldn't be 'better'.

It's attitudes like this that probably could gain a bit of insight via the teaching of other world views such add religion.

The "OMG I don't want to be exposed to other viewpoints" from the nonreligious perspective is just as close-minded as when it comes from the Bible thumping perspective.

 

[shortylickens]

yes, but the downside would be they'd probably pickup religion while at said school.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It can be the case that alternatives are worse academically or might be physically unsafe.

Religious education is usually a small part of the curriculum. Don't really see the harm, unless they start believing it.

It is a personal choice. I see organized religion as the root cause of much of the world's problems, fighting over invisible friends or past grievances caused by belief in invisible friends. For some the religion aspect would be a plus, some would see it as a non-issue one way or another, but for me it is an automatic dis-qualifier.

 

[Babbles]

Once your kid finds out the fairy tales are lies, he will resent you and feel ashamed for being fooled; not to mention being embarrassed at school when older kids make fun of them for believing.

Better to be up front from the beginning.

My kid is going to ruin your kid's fairy tales.

Keep thinking that chief.

I don't think anybody has been beaten up on the playground for once believing in Santa Claus or the Toothfairy, much less scarred for life.

You just kinda sound like an ass.

 

[edro]

I guess you could just tell your kid that the bible classes are fictional and used for moral and ethical lessons.
Nothing wrong with that.
That's pretty much the state of religion now a days anyway.
I don't think many Christians truly believe most of the biblical stories happened in real life.

 

[edro]

Keep thinking that chief.
I don't think anybody has been beaten up on the playground for once believing in Santa Claus or the Toothfairy, much less scarred for life.
You just kinda sound like an ass.

Who said anything about being beat up?
I remember many kids getting made fun of and ostracized for believing in Santa.

Also, your signature is laughable in the context of this thread.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's attitudes like this that probably could gain a bit of insight via the teaching of other world views such add religion.

The "OMG I don't want to be exposed to other viewpoints" from the nonreligious perspective is just as close-minded as when it comes from the Bible thumping perspective.

What do you see my attitude as? I understand how some people see religion in school as a big plus. I don't care to associate with those people for the most part. I see religion in school as a bigger negative than having Chris Benoit as the wrestling coach.

My son already goes to church every other Sunday with his mother. He is being exposed to religion, or at least christianity (out of the 4000+ known religions and thousands of gods, they know that's the right and true religion, afterall... good thing that is situated). I won't do anything to help that a long. I think it is evil and don't want anything to do with it. I'm not naive and ignorant, my position is what it is because quite the opposite, I'm informed.

Would you send your kids to a muslim school or satanist school to have him/her exposed to other views? I wouldn't. I also would much prefer my kid didn't go to a christian school. It is a personal decision, everyone is free to do as they want. That is my stance on it for my child, your position very well may be different.

 

[Eug]

It's attitudes like this that probably could gain a bit of insight via the teaching of other world views such add religion.

The "OMG I don't want to be exposed to other viewpoints" from the nonreligious perspective is just as close-minded as when it comes from the Bible thumping perspective.

In North America, an understanding of Christianity does help for understanding some literature, since so much literature from the past couple of hundred years references aspects of Christianity. So from that perspective, knowing bible stories etc, can help a student in English class.

However, the problem with religion-based schools is that many of the teachers and definitely the administration are inherently biased towards a single religion, and often try (both consciously and subconsciously) to indoctrinate the students with those beliefs.

I personally would rather see my kid taking religion courses in university for example, where they look at various religions at arm's length, with historical reference and comparative study.

The good news though is by high school, many students have enough understanding of these things to not be brainwashed by a few classes. The bad news is that in a lot of these schools, these classes are bird courses, and for many a complete waste of time.

I'm obviously biased against religion classes because I'm an athiest, but then again, I probably wouldn't be so biased if it weren't for a family friend who is a Christian missionary. Obnoxious one sometimes that tried to convert us, until someone made it clear to her we were not at all interested.