Could this be a bigger win than we think?

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
No, what is impressive is that the President won convincingly in the popular vote, and unquestionably in the electoral vote DESPITE 90% of Hollywood campaigning against him, Michael Moore (I put him in his own category cause he is so freaking FAT he wouldnt fit into one with anyone else), and the media at large.

The HUGE turnout that was SUPPOSED to help Democrats backfired. The "cell phone" block of voters turned out to be bunk.

Most votes EVER, and the first MAJORITY winner since 1988. Not even CLINTON got the majority vote.

I get my election results statistics here:

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/

Please read my post, the stats don't lie. Bush clearly won, but not impressivly so from a historical perspective.

In cold numbers... no. It ist just the average presidential win.

When you factor in the unprecedented Hollywood involvement (how many high budget movies against Bush?)... the Liberals threw EVERYTHING they had at him, and STILL he wins by 3.6 million votes.

I consider that impressive.

Personally I don't think Hollywood affects elections too much, they've ALWAYS been mostly liberal. As far as liberals throwing everything at Bush, I'd say that's pretty true...but the conservatives threw everything THEY had behind Bush. I didn't see this election as liberals putting in a ton of effort and conservatives sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Both sides put in a huge effort, both sides had great turnouts, and both sides did fairly well. Bush just did better.

If you want to try and argue that liberals tried a lot harder than conservatives, be my guest. But I think you'll need more than your feelings and impressions to back it up.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
No, what is impressive is that the President won convincingly in the popular vote, and unquestionably in the electoral vote DESPITE 90% of Hollywood campaigning against him, Michael Moore (I put him in his own category cause he is so freaking FAT he wouldnt fit into one with anyone else), and the media at large.

The HUGE turnout that was SUPPOSED to help Democrats backfired. The "cell phone" block of voters turned out to be bunk.

Most votes EVER, and the first MAJORITY winner since 1988. Not even CLINTON got the majority vote.

I get my election results statistics here:

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/

Please read my post, the stats don't lie. Bush clearly won, but not impressivly so from a historical perspective.

In cold numbers... no. It ist just the average presidential win.

When you factor in the unprecedented Hollywood involvement (how many high budget movies against Bush?)... the Liberals threw EVERYTHING they had at him, and STILL he wins by 3.6 million votes.

I consider that impressive.

Personally I don't think Hollywood affects elections too much, they've ALWAYS been mostly liberal. As far as liberals throwing everything at Bush, I'd say that's pretty true...but the conservatives threw everything THEY had behind Bush. I didn't see this election as liberals putting in a ton of effort and conservatives sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Both sides put in a huge effort, both sides had great turnouts, and both sides did fairly well. Bush just did better.

If you want to try and argue that liberals tried a lot harder than conservatives, be my guest. But I think you'll need more than your feelings and impressions to back it up.

They have always been liberal. You are right. The level of ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT by Hollywood in this election is unprecedented.

Okay, let me ask you ONE question. Besides Farenheit 9/11, name the last major motion picture released in an election year to smear a candidate.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
No, what is impressive is that the President won convincingly in the popular vote, and unquestionably in the electoral vote DESPITE 90% of Hollywood campaigning against him, Michael Moore (I put him in his own category cause he is so freaking FAT he wouldnt fit into one with anyone else), and the media at large.

The HUGE turnout that was SUPPOSED to help Democrats backfired. The "cell phone" block of voters turned out to be bunk.

Most votes EVER, and the first MAJORITY winner since 1988. Not even CLINTON got the majority vote.

I get my election results statistics here:

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/

Please read my post, the stats don't lie. Bush clearly won, but not impressivly so from a historical perspective.

In cold numbers... no. It ist just the average presidential win.

When you factor in the unprecedented Hollywood involvement (how many high budget movies against Bush?)... the Liberals threw EVERYTHING they had at him, and STILL he wins by 3.6 million votes.

I consider that impressive.

Personally I don't think Hollywood affects elections too much, they've ALWAYS been mostly liberal. As far as liberals throwing everything at Bush, I'd say that's pretty true...but the conservatives threw everything THEY had behind Bush. I didn't see this election as liberals putting in a ton of effort and conservatives sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Both sides put in a huge effort, both sides had great turnouts, and both sides did fairly well. Bush just did better.

If you want to try and argue that liberals tried a lot harder than conservatives, be my guest. But I think you'll need more than your feelings and impressions to back it up.

They have always been liberal. You are right. The level of ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT by Hollywood in this election is unprecedented.

Okay, let me ask you ONE question. Besides Farenheit 9/11, name the last major motion picture released in an election year to smear a candidate.

I have no idea what movie that might have been. I'm just saying that everyone on both sides put in a lot of effort. You seem to feel the liberals put in a lot more effort than the conservatives and still lost. I'm asking you why you think so, because I'm not seeing it. I'm not arguing that liberals didn't put in a lot of effort, I'm saying conservatives put in just as much effort...but obviously NOT through Hollywood.

 

[seawolf21]

Originally posted by: lozina
This irrelevent statistic has already been thrown in another thread.

Bush getting a majority does not mean anything for him. All it tells us is the independent party had a HORRIBLE performance this year.

Sort of agree with this. I think Bush has more than 50% due to the sharp divisions in country. I think a significant number of voters in both camps are voting more for "anybody but the other guy" vs "someone they really like" mentaility.

For Kerry voters, it's a anybody but Bush mentality....no need to explain.
For Bush voters, I think a good number really disliked Kerry due to the gay marriage issue more than they liking Bush himself.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
No, what is impressive is that the President won convincingly in the popular vote, and unquestionably in the electoral vote DESPITE 90% of Hollywood campaigning against him, Michael Moore (I put him in his own category cause he is so freaking FAT he wouldnt fit into one with anyone else), and the media at large.

The HUGE turnout that was SUPPOSED to help Democrats backfired. The "cell phone" block of voters turned out to be bunk.

Most votes EVER, and the first MAJORITY winner since 1988. Not even CLINTON got the majority vote.

I get my election results statistics here:

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/

Please read my post, the stats don't lie. Bush clearly won, but not impressivly so from a historical perspective.

In cold numbers... no. It ist just the average presidential win.

When you factor in the unprecedented Hollywood involvement (how many high budget movies against Bush?)... the Liberals threw EVERYTHING they had at him, and STILL he wins by 3.6 million votes.

I consider that impressive.

Personally I don't think Hollywood affects elections too much, they've ALWAYS been mostly liberal. As far as liberals throwing everything at Bush, I'd say that's pretty true...but the conservatives threw everything THEY had behind Bush. I didn't see this election as liberals putting in a ton of effort and conservatives sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Both sides put in a huge effort, both sides had great turnouts, and both sides did fairly well. Bush just did better.

If you want to try and argue that liberals tried a lot harder than conservatives, be my guest. But I think you'll need more than your feelings and impressions to back it up.

They have always been liberal. You are right. The level of ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT by Hollywood in this election is unprecedented.

Okay, let me ask you ONE question. Besides Farenheit 9/11, name the last major motion picture released in an election year to smear a candidate.

I have no idea what movie that might have been. I'm just saying that everyone on both sides put in a lot of effort. You seem to feel the liberals put in a lot more effort than the conservatives and still lost. I'm asking you why you think so, because I'm not seeing it. I'm not arguing that liberals didn't put in a lot of effort, I'm saying conservatives put in just as much effort...but obviously NOT through Hollywood.

Of course both campaigns put forth everything they had. I am merely marking that Bush didnt have Hollywood (or any group remotely approximating Hollywood) on his side. Aside from normal compaign stuff, what big names did Bush have with him? What power house was there OTHER than Bush?

I can turn your question back on you. What force did the Republicans have that would approximate what the Liberals had in the Hollywood crowd? I can name the Liberal's powerhouse group, but I cant think of the Republican's powerhouse group.