Could the US bomb using stealth's

[TechBoyJK]

I'm curious.. This came up in a discussion between friends that the US could bomb Iran and deny it, since Iran wouldn't be able to pick up on the fact that it was US bombs.. We'd just fly stealth's so high in the atmosphere that they wouldn't know where the bombs came from.

 

[yllus]

The ordinance delivered by a stealth bomber isn't exactly generic bombs you buy from CostCo - each bomb or missile costs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often exclusive to a couple of aircraft that only a few countries in the world fly. It'd be pretty obvious who pulled the trigger.

 

[bamacre]

Besides, who else are they gonna blame? Canada?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Yes they can do it. No, it would not work.

We (and any other country) can pretty much do anything that we like and make any statements that we would like regarding said action. There would be way too much evidence to make the claims believable however. The Stealth is designed to get around radar systems. It does not make it invisible however. Any artilary dropped/used would have signatures on it also.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Besides, who else are they gonna blame? Canada?

Not likely. This isn't 20th century, Canada has been on laser-munitions for a few years now. Its entire bomber force is running 30-80Zwatt beam projectors, so they don't need bombs to hit targets.

 

[Danwar]

Stealth is way overrated, the technology kicked ass in the early 90s during the 1st Gulf War because radar sites and SAM sites were not designed to "see" stealth aircraft.

Fast forward 8 years - A F117 Stealth bomber was shot down by the Serbs in 1999.

now almost 10 years since that happened you can bet that radar is far more advanced. its way cheaper to improve radar and tracking systems in surface to air missiles than it is to come up with a new and improved stealth design.

and you can bet that the russians and chinese started spending a butt load of cash into R&D to counter stealth aircraft, specially after they saw how effective they were in crippling the iraqi army in '91

 

[Genx87]

Well hard to say about it being worth it. The F22 knocks out F-15s in testing on a regular basis without the F15's even knowing they are in the area.

Iraq had one of the most sophisticated air defense systems the world has ever seen. They knew about the B2's in the area after the first bombs hit.

/shrug

 

[fskimospy]

Stealth bombers are not as 'stealthy' as you might think. It's not that they are completely undetectable by radar, it is that they can't be tracked well enough to effectively engage. The Iranians would know. That, and as other people said the bombs we tend to use have distinctive characteristics that could be traced back to us.

Finally, there's only a few people who would fly over Iran and try to bomb them. I'm pretty sure they could figure it out.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: bamacre
Besides, who else are they gonna blame? Canada?

Not likely. This isn't 20th century, Canada has been on laser-munitions for a few years now. Its entire bomber force is running 30-80Zwatt beam projectors, so they don't need bombs to hit targets.

Well yeah. Canada just phased out the last of its CF18 Hornets for Z-95 Headhunters. I just wish we went for the hyperdrive upgrade.

 

[rudder]

The whole premise is silly. The only culprits would be the U.S. or Israel. Oh, your reactor was bombed... well maybe it was Zimbabwe.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Danwar
Stealth is way overrated, the technology kicked ass in the early 90s during the 1st Gulf War because radar sites and SAM sites were not designed to "see" stealth aircraft.

Fast forward 8 years - A F117 Stealth bomber was shot down by the Serbs in 1999.

That's rather misleading. Iraq had one of the best air defence networks out there, and we never really saw B-2 in action over there - just the F-117A (AFAIK the B-2 seems to be for easy stuff or nuke jobs only because of its price tag).

That F-117A was shot down because it flew the same route multiple times and let the SAM site operator predict where to fire.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: yllus
The ordinance delivered by a stealth bomber isn't exactly generic bombs you buy from CostCo - each bomb or missile costs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often exclusive to a couple of aircraft that only a few countries in the world fly. It'd be pretty obvious who pulled the trigger.

I was at coscto yesterday and didn't see the generic bombs. What section are they in?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: yllus
The ordinance delivered by a stealth bomber isn't exactly generic bombs you buy from CostCo - each bomb or missile costs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often exclusive to a couple of aircraft that only a few countries in the world fly. It'd be pretty obvious who pulled the trigger.

I was at coscto yesterday and didn't see the generic bombs. What section are they in?

C4
B2
F117

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: yllus
The ordinance delivered by a stealth bomber isn't exactly generic bombs you buy from CostCo - each bomb or missile costs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often exclusive to a couple of aircraft that only a few countries in the world fly. It'd be pretty obvious who pulled the trigger.

I was a costco and didn't see the generic bombs. What section are they in?

Outdoors - Entertainment

 

[gevorg]

Easily. This will be another piece of cake like bombing Iraq for its WMDs.

 

[Brovane]

A B-2 could slip into Iran and bomb the targets. The first thing the Iranians would probably know that something was up was concussion from the bombs going off. What would be interesting if the US say purchased off the shelf Aircraft Bombs from say Russia (Shouldn't be to hard to get) and modified the laser guidance package to use the Russian bombs. They would also need to modify the bomb holders in the B-2 but it might be possible.

Of course the US press would go ballistic and be digging all around to find evidence that the US did it.

 

[Nebor]

As the US takes a step back and quietly points at Mexico? "You know, Mexico has never liked you, Iran."

 

[Aimster]

why would we do that?

the second we do that the U.S navy would have thousands of missiles and torpedoes launched at it.

Much better to send in wave after wave of aircraft.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Topic Title: Could the US bomb using stealth's

Topic Summary: and deny they did it?

I'm curious.. This came up in a discussion between friends that the US could bomb Iran and deny it, since Iran wouldn't be able to pick up on the fact that it was US bombs..

We'd just fly stealth's so high in the atmosphere that they wouldn't know where the bombs came from.

U.S. propaganda has proven to be even better than the Information Minister of Iraq.

Americans would absolutely believe they did not bomb Iran because their Government and Media told them so.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: yllus
The ordinance delivered by a stealth bomber isn't exactly generic bombs you buy from CostCo - each bomb or missile costs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often exclusive to a couple of aircraft that only a few countries in the world fly. It'd be pretty obvious who pulled the trigger.

I was at coscto yesterday and didn't see the generic bombs. What section are they in?

C4
B2
F117

Or right next to the vitamins.

 

[Modelworks]

It would be much simpler to use a sub to send a tomahawk missile from 30 miles away. Multiple countries have them so hard to pin it on just one. Though of course the USA would be first choice.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: Brovane
A B-2 could slip into Iran and bomb the targets. The first thing the Iranians would probably know that something was up was concussion from the bombs going off. What would be interesting if the US say purchased off the shelf Aircraft Bombs from say Russia (Shouldn't be to hard to get) and modified the laser guidance package to use the Russian bombs. They would also need to modify the bomb holders in the B-2 but it might be possible.

Of course the US press would go ballistic and be digging all around to find evidence that the US did it.

Sofa King
We Todd Did

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'm curious.. This came up in a discussion between friends that the US could bomb Iran and deny it, since Iran wouldn't be able to pick up on the fact that it was US bombs.. We'd just fly stealth's so high in the atmosphere that they wouldn't know where the bombs came from.

obviously the US could deny it. it would be fairly obvious to the
world where the bombs came from.

every time the US uses a weapon like the F-117A or the F-22,
2 of the stealth products, it creates an electronic signature that
is of great interest to countries like China & Russia. If their
engineers have a chance to do their job right (right from their
point of view), they will have equipment set up, on the ground
& maybe in the air, to listen to the various US radio signatures.

this is one of the reasons that US satellites come in handy -
F-22 to satellite to base in Qatar or wherever, makes it more
difficult for the Iranians to listen - they have few if any satellites.

but the Chinese & Russians do have satellites and they do listen,
just as we do. sort of Electronic Warfare 202, 101 being the
ground based version.

as far as what 'they' listen with, receivers ... they listen in real
time, & save the signal. sort of like recording a radio broadcast
on your computer.

but getting back to the original question, a lot of Americans believed
that Saddam was responsible for 9-11. if the US media had a policy
of denying the bombing, a lot of Americans would salute and not
question.

 

[piasabird]

Didnt we retire all our stealth bombers?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a1_1208965676

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: wwswimming

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'm curious.. This came up in a discussion between friends that the US could bomb Iran and deny it, since Iran wouldn't be able to pick up on the fact that it was US bombs.. We'd just fly stealth's so high in the atmosphere that they wouldn't know where the bombs came from.

obviously the US could deny it. it would be fairly obvious to the
world where the bombs came from.

every time the US uses a weapon like the F-117A or the F-22,
2 of the stealth products, it creates an electronic signature that
is of great interest to countries like China & Russia. If their
engineers have a chance to do their job right (right from their
point of view), they will have equipment set up, on the ground
& maybe in the air, to listen to the various US radio signatures.

this is one of the reasons that US satellites come in handy -
F-22 to satellite to base in Qatar or wherever, makes it more
difficult for the Iranians to listen - they have few if any satellites.

but the Chinese & Russians do have satellites and they do listen,
just as we do. sort of Electronic Warfare 202, 101 being the
ground based version.

as far as what 'they' listen with, receivers ... they listen in real
time, & save the signal. sort of like recording a radio broadcast
on your computer.

And if American engineers do THEIR job right, Chinese and Russian SIGINT folks can record until they are blue in the face and they won't get anything useful out of it. Of course the presences of any signal at all can be meaningful, but there are ways around that too.

but getting back to the original question, a lot of Americans believed
that Saddam was responsible for 9-11. if the US media had a policy
of denying the bombing, a lot of Americans would salute and not
question.

That is a remarkably simplistic way of looking at it. After all, "a lot" of Americans weren't so stupid as to believe the Saddam was behind 9/11 as well...while being able to convince 50% of the people of something idiotic is troubling, it doesn't really help if you're trying to hide something and the other 50% of the population thinks you're full of crap.