Could the continued character assassination attempts against clarke and condi's refusal to testify hurt Bush?

Phokus

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It seems that the 9/11 families have rallied around clarke for being so forthright and apologizing on the behalf of this incompetent government and they are rallying AGAINST the bush administration for their continued attacks on Clarke's character and Condi's refusal to testify before the commission. This doesn't sound good for Bush considering he's campaigning on his 'success' on the war on terrorism.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Relatives of the victims of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks praised former counter-terrorism official Richard Clarke on Thursday for publicly apologizing for not doing enough to prevent the tragedy.

Clarke, whose credibility has been questioned by the Bush administration, began his testimony on Wednesday to a commission probing the attacks by asking for relatives' forgiveness, prompting cheers, gasps and sobs from the packed hearing room on Capitol Hill.

"It's the first time we have had a public apology by any of the officials that were in office on that terrible morning," said Patty Casazza, who lost her husband when a hijacked plane rammed into the World Trade Center in New York.

"An apology goes a long way to healing the wounds and moving forward," Casazza told ABC's "Good Morning America" program.

Nearly 3,000 people were killed in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Relatives of those killed have been pushing for answers and some have voiced criticism over the Bush administration's cooperation with the commission.


Clarke, who served the last four U.S. presidents, has incensed the White House by saying publicly and in a book published this week that President Bush did not take the terrorism threat seriously enough and that more could have been done to prevent the attacks.

Clarke, who resigned 13 months ago, said the Clinton administration was active in tracking Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network but the Bush administration, which took office in January 2001, did not consider the issue urgent.

EMOTIONAL MOMENT

In his testimony, Clarke turned around to directly face the relatives and said: "Those entrusted with protecting you, failed you. And I failed you. We tried hard but that doesn't matter because we failed."

He added: "I would ask, once all the facts are out, for your understanding and for your forgiveness."

Beverly Eckert, whose husband died in the World Trade Center, said she "totally broke down" at Clarke's apology.

"It was a very emotional moment. As Patty said, no one has ever apologized. Most of the witnesses who come to these hearings come with, I would categorize them, as rather self-serving statements and everything they tried to do.

"He's the only one who said we tried our best but we failed ... not only did he apologize, he asked for our forgiveness. That meant a lot," said Eckert, who along with Casazza is part of an activist family group demanding answers to how the Sept. 11 attacks occurred.

The commission, which held public hearings for two days in Washington, is billed as a non-partisan body but some relatives said they were upset by how some members had attacked Clarke.

Kristen Breitweiser, who lost her husband in the World Trade Center attack, said some of the commission members had "sunk to a level of partisan politics" by criticizing Clarke and questioning his credibility.

"We want it to be independent, bipartisan. I think it is most unfortunate that it became a character assassination," she told NBC's "Today" show .

Some relatives have also voiced disappointment that White House national security advisor Condoleezza Rice has refused to appear publicly at a commission hearing. Others feel the president should also take the stand.

"From the president on down, if they have nothing to hide, they should testify," said Eckert.

Breitweiser was more cutting in her criticism and said she believed the White House had done a "cost benefit analysis" and decided it was better for Rice to take the heat rather than testify publicly about what went wrong.
 

conjur

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Don't worry, the Republican spin machine will find some way to twist and distort the truth and spread lies that Clarke was inconsistent in his various statements on various shows and interviews even though they all match each other.
 

Ozoned

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Clarke is a smart man. He knows how to play the emotion "card"

Fortunately (or not) depending on who you are, Bush also knows
how to play this same card.

This is not big enough(yet) to hurt Bush.
 

nutxo

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he has no character to asassinate, like the people who support him.

Rice has testified from my understanding, just not in the libbie POS's circus.
 

conjur

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Here's your contradiction. Although, this is closer to conspiracy to defame Clarke:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040324/nyw161_1.html

"DR. RICE: I would not use the word out of the loop. He was in every meeting about terrorism. He was not in the President's daily briefing with George Tenet. What the President did was to reestablish his principal conduit for intelligence information on everything, including terrorism, to be his DCI. But he was not -- he was in every meeting that was held on terrorism, all the deputies' meetings, the principals' meeting that was held, and so forth -- the early meetings after September 11th."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/24/opinion/main608370.shtml

"The other problem with the White House's dismissal of Clarke's alleged meeting fetish is that it contradicts one of the Bushies' other attacks on him. Maybe those cabinet-level meetings on al Qaeda weren't important, but McClellan suggests that Rice's staff meetings were essential. "Dr. Rice, early on in the administration," McClellan said yesterday, "started holding daily briefings with the senior directors of the National Security Council, of which he was one. But he refused to attend those meetings, and he was later asked to attend those meetings and he continued to refuse to attend those meetings."


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032304/content/cheney_to_rush__clarke__not_in_the_loop_.guest.html

"THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, he wasn't -- he wasn't in the loop, frankly, on a lot of this stuff. And I saw part of his interview last night, and he wasn't "
 

etech

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It seems that the 9/11 families

Fallacy: Composition

"The first type of fallacy of Composition arises when a person reasons from the characteristics of individual members of a class or group to a conclusion regarding the characteristics of the entire class or group (taken as a whole). More formally, the "reasoning" would look something like this.


Individual F things have characteristics A, B, C, etc.
Therefore, the (whole) class of F things has characteristics A, B, C, etc.
This line of reasoning is fallacious because the mere fact that individuals have certain characteristics does not, in itself, guarantee that the class (taken as a whole) has those characteristics.
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0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: nutxo
he has no character to asassinate, like the people who support him.

Rice has testified from my understanding, just not in the libbie POS's circus.

kinda funny considering how he/s served to protect the country for 30 years under mostly republican regiems, and is a republican to boot, its not exactly partisan and no record of anything that would show a lack of integrity:p

rice on the other hand refuses to answer questions under oath, yet, goes on 6? shows that day to answer whole assortments of questions while not under oath, even going on hannity today.

and even sadder bush and co can't even keep their character assassination stories straight. they contradict each other :p

you have some gall to talk of character:p

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: nutxo
he has no character to asassinate, like the people who support him.

Rice has testified from my understanding, just not in the libbie POS's circus.

kinda funny considering how he/s served to protect the country for 30 years under mostly republican regiems, and is a republican to boot, its not exactly partisan and no record of anything that would show a lack of integrity:p

rice on the other hand refuses to answer questions under oath, yet, goes on 6? shows that day to answer whole assortments of questions while not under oath, even going on hannity today.

and even sadder bush and co can't even keep their character assassination stories straight. they contradict each other :p

you have some gall to talk of character:p
What did you want him to say, 'My heros are garbage.' Geez, have a heart.