Could Rand Paul single handedly cause the patrioit act to lapse?

[Jaskalas]

What does a Democracy do when its representatives are openly hostile to the Bill of Rights?

Rand Paul is trying to correct the most anti-American abuse of power our generation has seen and the Senate majority is flat out ignoring the issue on their way to shove through the renewal of the Patriot Act.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Thats cool. But it would be in our collective best interests to not forget such things.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Those who do not learn from history...





...are destined to lead the Tea Party!

 

[matt0611]

Rand just tried to introduce 3 amendments, Reid objected, says its impossible to debate them.

 

[Fern]

Could somebody tell me how the patriot act works with non citizens? Is the patriot act needed to wiretap a foreigner who is under any kind of suspicion ?

It's been a while since I've spent any time on the Pat Act, so I could very well be wrong.

But as regards foreigners, we have always been able to wiretap etc as long as both (foreign) parties are outside of the USA. The 4th would not apply to foreigners on foreign soil.

However, if their communication routes through the USA, as email might, then the Pat Act allows us to wiretap w/o first getting a warrent IIRC.

Hopefully that's (mostly) correct, and if not perhaps someone who remembers better can come along with better info.

Fern

 

[Fern]

-snip- [quote]President Barack O...nd it while a Repub wants to stop it. Fern

 

[JSt0rm]

My how things change.

Seems not too long ago the Dems/Lefties/Progressives were screaming about the Patriot Act, and now they've beefed it up and want to extend it while a Repub wants to stop it.

Fern

its pathetic. no 2 ways about it.

 

[mchammer187]

My how things change.

Seems not too long ago the Dems/Lefties/Progressives were screaming about the Patriot Act, and now they've beefed it up and want to extend it while a Repub wants to stop it.

Fern

One Republican not the party as a whole. They have control of the house and have 40 in the Senate.

BOTH parties are at fault here if it passes again.

 

[JS80]

My how things change.

Seems not too long ago the Dems/Lefties/Progressives were screaming about the Patriot Act, and now they've beefed it up and want to extend it while a Repub wants to stop it.

Fern

There's no such thing as republican or democrat, just government.

 

[waggy]

One Republican not the party as a whole. They have control of the house and have 40 in the Senate.

BOTH parties are at fault here if it passes again.

100% right. its both parties. People in power never want to give it up. This paice of shit act will NEVER go away.

 

[DrewSG3]

Rand just tried to introduce 3 amendments, Reid objected, says its impossible to debate them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjYUmi5_IQ

Looks like they're pulling the whole "You want the terrorist to win" with Rand Paul.

I don't like the guy, but what he's saying here is 100% spot on

 

[matt0611]

Update: Rand Paul delays renewal of patriot act.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/05/26/sen-rand-paul-delays-renewal-of-patriot-act-provisions/

Looks like it may lapse for a bit anyway. Go Rand.

 

[matt0611]

Update: Rand Paul's amendment fails, Senate approves violating the constitution again

http://www.freemaninky.com/2011/05/rand-pauls-patriot-act-amendments-fail.html