Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
So Quakeworld on your PC looks better then FinalFantasy The Spirits Within on your TV to you?
Wow, you dodge making an intelligent response by removing all context from the discussion.
Every XBox game I own supports at least 480p, to the best of my knowledge they all do.
So then where are the huge numbers of games that support the higher resolutions?
The majority of homes don't have a PC that can play game acceptably, so we should be comparing a P3 500 with i740 graphics chip if we use that as a basis. You can not talk about the bleeding edge on PCs and then try and regulate consoles to using outdated tech because it makes your platform of choice look bad. Keep it fair, either use antiquated PC hardware and AV equiptment or use up to date for both.
I'm not talking about 'bleeding edge on PCs', I'm talking about 2-4 year old hardware, which is precisely what you are talking about.
You can avoid an API on consoles, you can't on PCs. There is the option to code directly to the hardware, that isn't possible on the PC side of thing.
Actually, the PS2 for some time lacked a 3D API and had to be coded directly to the hardware.
Halo and TRAoD. You can say whatever you want about them, they are the only DX9 titles we have right now(because they were ported dev costs to exploit the newer features was acceptable).
Hahahahaha. Again, I refer you to the E3 2000 Halo demo, and again I say the issues in terms of speed in Halo arise from porting. I don't know a lot about TRAoD, so I'll refrain from commenting on it.
The next gen consoles will be far more powerful then what it takes to run DooM3 or HL2.
Current bleeding edge PCs are far more powerful than what it will take to run Doom 3 or HL2. The difference is, we have these options about resolution, customizability, etc, that consoles do not.
Also- the problem on the PC is that's its single most dominant graphics setup right now is the IEG.
Not for gaming computers. Your specialty in discussion seems to be the bait and switch. I'm not buying.
Have you been in to a BB lately? Even my local Wal-Mart now is stocking a selection of HDTVs. IIRC their lowest priced model is some Sanyo 31" for ~$600- not exactly upper echelon pricing(nowhere near as nice as the Tau they have it sitting next to for a few hundred more though).
Yes. That is my point, as a percentage, both Wal-Mart, Best Buy (and Future Shop up here) are stocking them, but it is a very small percentage of their floor models. 10% in a very rich area.
EA is a lousy developer. Why not take a look at their most popular PC series and use that as a comparison? We'll compare the Madden series on the consoles to The Sims on the PC.
Lol, your counterargument for my point is that the developer in question is "lousy" (with no definition of lousy)? How about some tangible actual reasoning here, I know you are capable of it.
Actually almost across the board the best titles are developed platform exclusive.
Are they? In which terms? You took the stance earlier that "best" can only be quantified in terms of sales, and it would seem that games that are best-sellers are by and large cross-platform.
DooM3 is heading to the XBox, one of the titles that people like to use for PC superiority. Obviously PC's are still going to have a major edge there because of control mechanics.
Less overall development costs mean the developers just work on the 3 consoles there, and bam, they rake in the cash. They don't put any effort into making the absolute best of the hardware they have access to.
And PCs can't even handle 3D, just look at The Sims. You are quite ignorant to the console market if you think your statement there has any validity.
Lol, now you are pointing to one popular PC Game, designed to run on your "average computer" because it was targeted at a section of the market as of yet untouched, with largely pre-rendered graphics, and stating that that specific title means the PC can't handle 3D? Damn, guess I better tell my machine it can no longer do BF1942 by rendering in realtime. It's going to be upset, but maybe I can let it down easy.
By the way, I'm curious, what games would you hold up as an example of a game which clearly makes complete use of all the features offered it by the console?
It seems to me like this discussion comes up on an annual basis, and there are always people who are on one side or the other. Technologically the PC will always have an edge -- even if only because in the time it takes the console's hardware to be finalized and end up going production we will have a new GPU/CPU release. Ben, your overall point is very valid, game developers on the console don't have to worry about "legacy support" or any sort of backwards compatibility, which probably makes their job tenfold easier. They don't have to worry about getting letters because their brand new game can only be run by a specific (and rather small) segment of the market. That being said, what we are seeing nowadays is games that have a large spectrum of different codepaths to be able to take advantage of newer hardware. While your "average gaming pc" may not be cutting edge in terms of GPU/CPU power, any given new game can be run on it at decent playable speeds. Someone with a newer GPU/better CPU can certainly still take advantage of all the eye candy.
The basic points are:
- PCs will always have a raw cutting edge technological advantage over consoles.
- Console games by and large make better use of the hardware they are given.
- This argument is really irrelevant to the OP's question, to which the answer is No, since there will always be gamers of both types barring something incredibly evolutionary.
- This argument is also really irrelevant to the real crux of the matter: gameplay matters infinitely more than looks. Sure, it's not unreasonable to expect a certain level of eye candy in a given generation's games, but that isn't what makes you buy a game and be/stay happy with it.
I'll tell you one thing, you would have a really hard time playing Black and White on a console, and even though it is an older game, it is still DAMN addictive.
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