Could a Group like the Founding Fathers Develop and Stick Around in Our Society?

[Infohawk]

So, are men like the founding fathers even around today? Could they rise to power? Would they stick around with the media on their backs?

[Edit: How did my OP get an older time-stamp than a reply?]

 

[BoberFett]

No, they'd be called crazy.

 

[fskimospy]

I think our concept of what the founding fathers were like is usually seriously flawed. Boberfett, what attributes/positions do you think the Founding Fathers held, and which ones do you think would have them be called crazy?

 

[sandorski]

They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I think our concept of what the founding fathers were like is usually seriously flawed. Boberfett, what attributes/positions do you think the Founding Fathers held, and which ones do you think would have them be called crazy?

They spoke out against the status quo. That alone will get you labeled a loon nowadays. Even the Democrats who are supposedly "liberals" are about as conformist as you can get.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I think our concept of what the founding fathers were like is usually seriously flawed. Boberfett, what attributes/positions do you think the Founding Fathers held, and which ones do you think would have them be called crazy?

They spoke out against the status quo. That alone will get you labeled a loon nowadays. Even the Democrats who are supposedly "liberals" are about as conformist as you can get.

They were militants who rebelled against the mother country, almost bound to fail and die.

They were terrorists by today's definition.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So, are men like the founding fathers even around today? Could they rise to power? Would they stick around with the media on their backs?

[Edit: How did my OP get an older time-stamp than a reply?]

Topic Title: Could a Group like the Founding Fathers Develop and Stick Around in Our Society?

They would be called Terrorists and Enemy Combatants or whatever new term the Obama administration came up with to replace Enemy Combatants.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
They were militants who rebelled against the mother country, almost bound to fail and die.

They were terrorists by today's definition.

They specifically targeted and killed civilians?

I would suggest their methods and intentions were different than terrorism.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
They were militants who rebelled against the mother country, almost bound to fail and die.

They were terrorists by today's definition.

They specifically targeted and killed civilians?

I would suggest their methods and intentions were different than terrorism.

Absolutely true

There will be bloodshed in a new Revolution here against the corporations and Government they own.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: sandorski
They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

What? Most were well educated. In the fields of languages, history, and philosophy probably better educated than most of our politicians today. How many politicians today learn French, Greek, and Latin?

 

[BarrySotero]

The founders would be called xenophobes, mean-spirted ideologues, chauvinists, right wing extremists, militants, homegrown terrorists etc. It was Aristotle who said "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies that give way to Tyranny". The founders set up a masculine republic and now after 50 years of the expanding, feminized nanny state we are at the tyranny point.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: sandorski
They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

What? Most were well educated. In the fields of languages, history, and philosophy probably better educated than most of our politicians today. How many politicians today learn French, Greek, and Latin?

For the time they were, but lots has changed.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: sandorski
They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

What? Most were well educated. In the fields of languages, history, and philosophy probably better educated than most of our politicians today. How many politicians today learn French, Greek, and Latin?

For the time they were, but lots has changed.

They'd still be well educated even by today's standards. You have seen the kind of morons the US schools system is pumping out, haven't you?

Many can barely read the Declare of Independence, much less write such a document.

 

[Ozoned]

It's a different ball-game today.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

They'd still be well educated even by today's standards. You have seen the kind of morons the US schools system is pumping out, haven't you?

Many can barely read the Declare of Independence, much less write such a document.

I'm guessing we spend more money on the average pupil then was spent on the founding fathers who I'm guessing were mostly self-taught.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
No, they'd be called crazy.

Right now in the US the POTUS is elected every four years and is replaced at least every eight years, US Senators are elected every six years, the Congress is elected every four years.

The legislative branch of government is elected by popular vote.

There is a mechanism of political change in place. The only option for change they had back then was to rebel.

Now would they be happy with non-white guys and women running the country and the overall diversity of the country are the questions you are really asking.

 

[Moonbeam]

Our Founding Fathers, which art hanging around,
hallowed be thy name;
thy country come;
thy Constitution be done,
in the States as it is in Nation.
Give us this day our daily Bill of Rights.
And forgive us our tax evasions,
as we forgive them who tax us.
And lead us not into wars of agression;
but deliver us from socialism.
[For thine is the Union,
the industrial power, and the patriotic glory,
for ever and ever.

Amen to the All Mighty Dollar

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: sandorski
They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

What? Most were well educated. In the fields of languages, history, and philosophy probably better educated than most of our politicians today. How many politicians today learn French, Greek, and Latin?

For the time they were, but lots has changed.

They'd still be well educated even by today's standards. You have seen the kind of morons the US schools system is pumping out, haven't you?

Many can barely read the Declare of Independence, much less write such a document.

lots has changed

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: sandorski
They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

What? Most were well educated. In the fields of languages, history, and philosophy probably better educated than most of our politicians today. How many politicians today learn French, Greek, and Latin?

For the time they were, but lots has changed.

One need only to read what they wrote at the time to realize that they were easily better educated than 99% of today's population; or, more accurately, they better understood what they learned.

 

[StageLeft]

The politician who'd best fit in among them that is known and comes to my mind would be Ron Paul.

How does society see him?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
The politician who'd best fit in among them that is known and comes to my mind would be Ron Paul.

How does society see him?

Society sees him as a threat to their welfare checks.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Quite a few of our founding fathers would likely be appalled to find that blacks and women were given the right to vote.

While they had some great ideas on implementing democratic forms of government most still subscribed to the social standards and values of their day. They would probably find today's social standards/values absolutely shocking.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: sandorski
They wouldn't be the same People at all. In fact, they'd be some of the Poorest Educated in the Country. They were Great back then, but don't really mount to much in todays terms. (assuming you mean Born/Raised in current Time)

What? Most were well educated. In the fields of languages, history, and philosophy probably better educated than most of our politicians today. How many politicians today learn French, Greek, and Latin?

For the time they were, but lots has changed.

They'd still be well educated even by today's standards. You have seen the kind of morons the US schools system is pumping out, haven't you?

Many can barely read the Declare of Independence, much less write such a document.

lots has changed

Typical myopic view.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
The politician who'd best fit in among them that is known and comes to my mind would be Ron Paul.

How does society see him?

As a nut.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
The politician who'd best fit in among them that is known and comes to my mind would be Ron Paul.

How does society see him?

What are you basing that on? Ron Paul's ideas on federal power are WAAAAAY off from that of many, many of the founding fathers. To quite a few of them, his idea of the role of the federal government would be inexcusably weak.

Like I originally said, the founding fathers weren't a monolithic entity, this idea that they were for limited and small government is simply wrong. SOME of them were, and some of them wanted a federal government that was little better than a monarchy. In the end, the strong government guys won.