could 4k resolution revive crt tech?

[mizzou]

it seems like lcd/led tech is having growing pains getting passed 1080p without destroying ones wallet. Would CRT displays of old have had an easier time producing that image?

i just cant imagine giant tube sets ever coming back....but you have to think fondly of their quality.


this battle for thinner/lighter seems to come at am expense of quality

 

[bradly1101]

it seems like lcd/led tech is having growing pains getting passed 1080p without destroying ones wallet. Would CRT displays of old have had an easier time producing that image?

i just cant imagine giant tube sets ever coming back....but you have to think fondly of their quality.


this battle for thinner/lighter seems to come at am expense of quality

In the late '80s I had a job interview where I had to give a presentation on 'something'.

I chose an article from Popular Science that explained a new flat panel technology that would solve the problems of early LCD tech. It used a gun like a CRT, but it was aimed at the inside edge from the opposite edge. The inside edge was a curved, charged mirror that sent the electrons across the back of the screen where the relatively low power electrons could be accelerated by plates to the phosphors. The bigger the screen, the further the gun would be away from the opposite mirror, covering the larger screen.

Nothing ever came from it I guess, but I got the job.

 

[JackBurton]

No. The future is LCD and OLED. The reason it is expensive is because it is new. Hell, 4K LCDs <70" are pretty reasonable now. Only the 85" and larger 4K sets are priced out of reach for most. But their prices will come down in time like anything new.

 

[videogames101]

The jump to HD was impressive to average joe, just like LCD tech since it's come around because of the form factor change. The average person isn't going to give a shit about 4k/oled imo, so prices will be very slow to fall.

 

[postmortemIA]

right.. we have 1440P displays already on tablets of 7" - 10" size, and they are not that expensive

 

[yhelothar]

I've been a big fan of CRTs for a long time. I had dual 21" FD Trinitrons for a while. The dot pitch was much finer than LCDs for a long time - until high DPI LCDs.

These blow the CRTs out of the water IMO. It might still not reach the black levels, the vibrance and sharpness is amazing. CRTs tend to get blurry as you turn up the brightness/contrast - especially as they age.

 

[Midwayman]

They won't revive CRT, but they might push OLED forward. I hope. No point in 4k if the picture turns to mush when it moves.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The whole reason 4K exists is because the LCD/LED production processes has improved to the point where they can give you the entire 4k panel rather than making the 4k panel and cutting out the best 1080p chunk of that panel.

 

[Railgun]

I'm pretty sure that's not the reason.

If you're talking about price for the resolution, this is something that was speculated on for months 2-3 years ago. Everyone said 4K was going to take many years to get to the masses due to cost. Relative to when "2k" took the stage, it has decreased in price considerably faster than what many suggested/predicted.

Now you're in the same boat you were in when HD initially came out for all intents and purposes. It's another chicken and egg scenario. Content or something that can display it. Now, with digital media taking the stage more so than physical, and already competing vendors for distribution of said content, we're in for a longer battle than what HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray was.

That being said, 4K will become much more affordable faster than when 2K did. OLED will make its proper debut sooner than later. I'm guessing easily 2-3 years from now we'll see more viable tech and cost breaks 1-2 years after that. CRT had its very long moment and while I agree it would still look fantastic, it's not going to be making a comeback. LCD will almost always be second to another technology just as it is to plasma (yes, arguably my opinion). It's cheaper for a reason.

 

[SlickSnake]

it seems like lcd/led tech is having growing pains getting passed 1080p without destroying ones wallet. Would CRT displays of old have had an easier time producing that image?

i just cant imagine giant tube sets ever coming back....but you have to think fondly of their quality.


this battle for thinner/lighter seems to come at am expense of quality

No. A plasma is essentially a CRT based display technology. The reason Panny is not going to make them anymore, is because the leap to 4k from 1080p makes the plasma technology a heck of a lot harder to implement, if not impossible, for a reasonable resale price point. And you will see other manufacturers of plasma also stop making them once 4k is the norm for HDTVs in the very near future for the same economic reasons.

 

[lamedude]

Can a shadowmask/aperture grill with that high of a dot pitch be made cheaply? You can't just make the TV bigger like a LCD/Plasma. Plugging 3840x2160@40" into this calculator gives a .23mm dot pitch which is about what the best CRTs had. The 40XBR800 was a 300 lb beast. I don't think you could pay people to take a 300 lb TV.

 

[Railgun]

I wouldn't care what the thing weighed so long as the PQ is fantastic.

 

[JackBurton]

I wouldn't care what the thing weighed so long as the PQ is fantastic.

Samsung's 85" 4K set is absolutely breathtaking. Unfortunately so is the price tag.

 

[giantpandaman2]

The bigger the screen the deeper that a CRT has to be. An 80" screen would have to be almost 80" deep. Since 4k really only looks better than a typical 4k when you get over 65" or so at typical viewing distances...

No, CRT is dead. There are no factories that can even build that big of a set. No companyu would invest in building a new factory for high end CRT's. Not a chance. People don't want to be moving tv's the size and weight of grand pianos either.

 

[giantpandaman2]

The bigger the screen the deeper that a CRT has to be. An 80" screen would have to be almost 80" deep. Since 4k really only looks better than a typical 2k when you get over 65" or so at typical viewing distances...

No, CRT is dead. There are no factories that can even build that big of a set. No company would invest in building a new factory for high end CRT's. Not a chance. People don't want to be moving tv's the size and weight of grand pianos either.

 

[alcoholbob]

Nope, but 4K might revive SLI in the die-hard-single-card-only community because even a $1000 GPU overclocked sky-high on LN2 isn't going to run a next gen game at that res maxed out. If a Titan Black SLI gets 30 fps in Crysis 3 Ultra @4K, what's the hope of even getting close to that with a single overclocked GTX 880?

 

[Gunbuster]

it seems like lcd/led tech is having growing pains getting passed 1080p without destroying ones wallet.

Yeah my 39" 4k Seiki really "Destroyed" my wallet.

 

[reallyscrued]

No. A plasma is essentially a CRT based display technology. The reason Panny is not going to make them anymore, is because the leap to 4k from 1080p makes the plasma technology a heck of a lot harder to implement, if not impossible, for a reasonable resale price point. And you will see other manufacturers of plasma also stop making them once 4k is the norm for HDTVs in the very near future for the same economic reasons.

While plasma does glow phosphers, it is nothing like CRT. No electron gun, no "drawing the image", an inherently analog signal, etc.

I suppose if CRT and LCD had a baby, that would be plasma.


And this thread is asinine. Higher resolutions won't 'revive' CRT, higher resolutions killed CRT. Making a high def CRT set is EXTREMELY complicated and would result in very heavy sets.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Tubes are going away (have gone away) because they are large and heavy. The reason LCDs are cheap in large part is because shipping costs have dropped drastically with the smaller footprints of these TVs which also reduce the weight.

CRTs are gone forever. Deal with it.

And eventually 4K will get cheap. It takes time. That's how tech works.

 

[tential]

Yeah my 39" 4k Seiki really "Destroyed" my wallet.

Seiki really didn't get the best reviews in terms of PQ. Especially when displaying 1080p content (not sure why since you'd think it'd be easy). Not to hate on your Seiki 4K HDTV or anything.

4K is still "expensive" but it's coming down in price. Sharp's 4K HDTV sets that are HDMI 2.0 complaint are coming in at around $6k for a 70 inch MSRP. After it hits stores, gets some coupons, some price cuts, I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit $3k at Christmas time.

My prediction is that 4K HDTVs will be huge movers on Black Friday this year. I'm also going to predict that most people getting a 4K HDTV won't be sitting close enough to reap the benefits.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I'm also going to predict that most people getting a 4K HDTV won't watch 4k material on there to reap the benefits.

FIFY

 

[alcoholbob]

If we get 4K blu rays soon, I imagine plenty of people who bought 4K TVs will go for it though.

 

[giantpandaman2]

Affordable 4k projectors and 4k Blu Ray and then I'll bite. No reason to care until then.

 

[shortylickens]

Americans prefer convenience to quality.

Remember, VHS beat out Betamax and Laserdisc.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Americans prefer convenience to quality.

Remember, VHS beat out Betamax and Laserdisc.

Speaking of which, I'd rather have a brick and mortar video rental store at this point than all the streaming crap.

It used to be that you selected a movie at the store and rented it. Then you WATCHED IT. These days, you want to watch a movie but end up spending an hour adding 100 to your "watch list". Then you spend another hour deciding which of those 100 you want to watch at any time. It's asinine.

And renting movies at a store was an experience. Renting online is a dull and boring experience. It's like arguing that frozen dinners are better than an actual dining experience.