Cost of living in CA

dquan97

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California families must earn far more than the minimum wage and in some cases as much or more than the median hourly income just to keep up with the bare-bones expenses of living, a report released Tuesday said.

A family of four with two working parents needs a yearly income of $72,343 just to cover such costs as housing, medical care, transportation and food, according to the report, "Making Ends Meet," by the California Budget Project, a nonprofit public policy research group that advocates for working Californians.

That figure doesn't even include putting away savings for retirement or college, or extras such as cable television, an Internet connection or vacations, the report said.

The median hourly wage in 2006 was $17.42. But to make ends meet, two working parents in a family of four would have to each earn $17.39, just three cents short of the median, the report said. The median is the point at which half make more and half make less.

The wage-earner in a family of four with only one working parent would need to make considerably more, $24.22 an hour. And a single parent supporting two children would have to make $28.72 an hour, the report said, a full $11.30 more than the median.

Even a single adult would have to make close to double the $7.50-an-hour minimum wage, the report said, requiring a full-time job paying $13.62 to get by.

The culprits are California's perennial high cost of housing, even with the recent downturn in the market, and exploding health care costs.

Many Californians who make less than what it takes to pay the bills wouldn't qualify for government programs, such as tax breaks and health insurance for children, said Jean Ross, executive director of the California Budget Project.

The numbers "show the gap between where public programs leave off and what it really takes to live in California," Ross said.

Many Californians are living paycheck to paycheck, "one transmission repair from a personal financial disaster," she said.

Robert Moffit of the conservative Heritage Foundation said such statistics show the need for a health care system that offers tax credits or vouchers to offset escalating costs.

It also shows that California needs to improve the climate for businesses that provide well-paying jobs, said Moffit, the director for the Center for Health Policy Studies at the Washington, D.C.-based foundation. He said businesses in California are overtaxed, while the state government routinely spends more than it takes in.

"You need to get business back into the state to increase overall wealth and start lifting the boats," Moffit said. "Redistributing the wealth of a shrinking pie doesn't help anything."

Ross said the study should help policymakers figure out the answers to pressing questions such as what families have to earn to afford health care.

The numbers are relevant to the debate between congressional Democrats and President Bush over how much a family must make to qualify for federal money through the State Children's Health Insurance Program, she said. Bush is pushing for a lower income threshold than is favored by Democrats.

"It shows that the president is wrong in this regard," Ross said.

The study is also meant to help researchers, workers who counsel low-income families, and the families themselves.

Many families make up the gap between income and expenses by relying on credit, Ross said. Some have resorted to cashing in on their investments in their homes by refinancing mortgages.

Others double- or triple-up in bedrooms, she said. Young adults move back in with their parents. Couples work different shifts to avoid child care expenses, or rely on "less than optimal" arrangements such as leaving children with neighbors.

"There are probably as many coping strategies as there are families in California," Ross said.

The study assumed that families paid their own health care costs. Ross conceded that some might get insurance through their employers, while others forgo it altogether.

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trmiv

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This is why I moved out of California in June. I lived in the SF Bay Area for my entire life, but I saw the writing on the wall that I would never be able to afford a house there and get ahead saving money. My wife and I were paying $1800/month rent on a 1 bedroom apartment, plus many other expenses and it was just killing us. We were making decent money too. We moved to NC and now we're 13 days away from closing on our first house. :) My brother and his GF still live in California and he makes over 100K but he can't afford a house. At least one he wants to live in that is.
 

purbeast0

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i went to San Fran 2 weekends ago for work.

it by far had the most homeless people that i've seen in any city.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
i went to San Fran 2 weekends ago for work.

it by far had the most homeless people that i've seen in any city.

That's because San Fran has enacted policies that actually attract homeless people. There's actually a big debate going on there now, from what I've read, because some citizens have gotten fed up with homeless people on their doorsteps and throwing up on the sidewalks.
 

IceBergSLiM

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coming from CT when i've vacationed there it didnt seem all that expensive. i wasn't taking into account taxes and housing tho.
 

LS20

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exaggerated article. maybe they factor that average people live beyond their means... yearly vacations, each kid in their own room with a private television, etc...

my parents barely made that much... supported 3 children through college, a family back in asia, with full health care, 5 vehicles (owned), and saved enough to buy a house when we moved.

if you cant live on 70k, learn to budget

 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
coming from CT when i've vacationed there it didnt seem all that expensive. i wasn't taking into account taxes and housing tho.

Coming from Maryland, nothing seems expensive :cool:
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: purbeast0
i went to San Fran 2 weekends ago for work.

it by far had the most homeless people that i've seen in any city.

That's because San Fran has enacted policies that actually attract homeless people. There's actually a big debate going on there now, from what I've read, because some citizens have gotten fed up with homeless people on their doorsteps and throwing up on the sidewalks.

wow damn I had no idea. do you have a link to this, i'd be interested in reading about it.

i also thought it was amazing how a co-worker of mine gave a homeless guy a cigarette and was talking to him, and the homeless guy was basically reaming my co-worker and had the nerve to ask him what he[/b] does for the better of our society.
 

maddogchen

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if you have a family and you and your wife make under 60,000 a year. They provide low-income housing for you. Pretty nice houses too. I was walking by them. Pisses me off when I see them having a nice new VW Beatle in their garage. Low-income my ass!
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: purbeast0
i went to San Fran 2 weekends ago for work.

it by far had the most homeless people that i've seen in any city.

That's because San Fran has enacted policies that actually attract homeless people. There's actually a big debate going on there now, from what I've read, because some citizens have gotten fed up with homeless people on their doorsteps and throwing up on the sidewalks.

wow damn I had no idea. do you have a link to this, i'd be interested in reading about it.

i also thought it was amazing how a co-worker of mine gave a homeless guy a cigarette and was talking to him, and the homeless guy was basically reaming my co-worker and had the nerve to ask him what he does for the better of our society.

This is from a quick google search.

Since 2000, the homeless population of San Francisco has grown by more than a third, totaling some 7,300 people. In places such as the Tenderloin district, streets seem little more than galleries of "Checks Cashed" signs, strip clubs, and wobbly shopping carts packed with worn clothes, trinkets, and trash. Sidewalks double as sleeping quarters, and the smell of stale urine is rarely far away.

Mr. Brechin says he won't come into San Francisco, because he "can't take it anymore." Six-year resident Sonja Brandjes is sometimes afraid to walk the streets in certain parts of town. "It's worse than it has ever been," she says. "We just accept it because it has always been there, but I don't think it's safe."

Such complaints are not unusual. Yet, for the most part, these are not people calling for street sweeps and jail time. This is a city conflicted, and for many here, Supervisor Gavin Newsom has provided a way out.

In his office, he displays two conspicuous piles of letters for and against his plan to help solve the homeless problem. The "support" pile teeters at least 10 times taller, but what is amazing, Mr. Newsom says, "is how much they apologize. They say, 'I'm a progressive, and I can't believe I'm writing about this subject, but I support you.... Please don't use my name.' "

"People are questioning their beliefs," he adds. The response has indeed been surprising. Part of the plan is to expand a ban on panhandling to places such as median strips and transit stations. In the mid-1990s, Mayor Frank Jordan tried to take a hard stand on homelessness, too. Voters canned him in the next election.

Yet several things are notably different this time around. Foremost among them is a growing sense that the old way is just not working. As San Francisco's tourism-based economy sours in a post-Sept. 11 world of less travel, many are wondering if their tax money is being used in the most effective way. The county spends some $100 million a year on homelessness.

"It's analogous to where New York was in 1993 - reeling from recession," says Newsom. "People started focusing on the problems and got fed up with the soft ineffectual symbolism."

For example, while most municipalities offer benefits to the homeless in the form of a small cash stipend and other benefits such as vouchers or shelter beds, San Francisco still gives about one-third of its homeless population its benefits all in cash - as much as $395 a month. At the same time, the number of deaths among the homeless has increased recently - from 103 in 1995 to 183 in 2000.

That disconnect has resulted in a new willingness to consider new solutions, such as Newsom's proposal to take most of that cash and apply it to improving shelters and other homeless services. "It's difficult to deal with this issue without betraying progressive principles," says Richard DeLeon, a political scientist at San Francisco State University. "But Newsom's proposal has opened up a space in the public discourse."

I've also read other stuff like where the city actually has holding facilities for homeless people's shopping carts that have all their stuff in it.
 

T9D

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been like this forever CA. Don't know how people can't stand the rat race. It is Beautiful weather though.
 

dquan97

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
if you have a family and you and your wife make under 60,000 a year. They provide low-income housing for you. Pretty nice houses too. I was walking by them. Pisses me off when I see them having a nice new VW Beatle in their garage. Low-income my ass!

Source?
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: trmiv
This is why I moved out of California in June. I lived in the SF Bay Area for my entire life, but I saw the writing on the wall that I would never be able to afford a house there and get ahead saving money. My wife and I were paying $1800/month rent on a 1 bedroom apartment, plus many other expenses and it was just killing us. We were making decent money too. We moved to NC and now we're 13 days away from closing on our first house. :) My brother and his GF still live in California and he makes over 100K but he can't afford a house. At least one he wants to live in that is.

Umm..where were you paying 1800/month for a 1 bedroom apartment since that might be on the high side. I live in Sunnyvale and have a decent neat and clean apartment with a good neighborhood and only pay 1285/month for a 2 bedroom apartment.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: dquan97
Originally posted by: maddogchen
if you have a family and you and your wife make under 60,000 a year. They provide low-income housing for you. Pretty nice houses too. I was walking by them. Pisses me off when I see them having a nice new VW Beatle in their garage. Low-income my ass!

Source?

Me!
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: LS20
exaggerated article. maybe they factor that average people live beyond their means... yearly vacations, each kid in their own room with a private television, etc...

my parents barely made that much... supported 3 children through college, a family back in asia, with full health care, 5 vehicles (owned), and saved enough to buy a house when we moved.

if you cant live on 70k, learn to budget

That's $70k for a family of 4. That's not a lot of money.
 

Demon-Xanth

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<-- working on getting a house in California

Out of the 20 houses we looked at, there was one that was owned outright, 19 were short sales.

The only areas that really are out of reach for most people are the bay areas, such as SF, San Jose, San Diego, and LA. Once you go inwards a little bit, places get cheaper fast. Rent in Sacramento for an apartment is quite literally half of what it is in San Fransisco. The price for houses is closer to 1/3rd or 1/4.
 
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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: trmiv
This is why I moved out of California in June. I lived in the SF Bay Area for my entire life, but I saw the writing on the wall that I would never be able to afford a house there and get ahead saving money. My wife and I were paying $1800/month rent on a 1 bedroom apartment, plus many other expenses and it was just killing us. We were making decent money too. We moved to NC and now we're 13 days away from closing on our first house. :) My brother and his GF still live in California and he makes over 100K but he can't afford a house. At least one he wants to live in that is.

Umm..where were you paying 1800/month for a 1 bedroom apartment since that might be on the high side. I live in Sunnyvale and have a decent neat and clean apartment with a good neighborhood and only pay 1285/month for a 2 bedroom apartment.

That's still way to high. I paid $900 month for a 3 bed condo in the higher end side of Plano, Texas.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: trmiv
This is why I moved out of California in June. I lived in the SF Bay Area for my entire life, but I saw the writing on the wall that I would never be able to afford a house there and get ahead saving money. My wife and I were paying $1800/month rent on a 1 bedroom apartment, plus many other expenses and it was just killing us. We were making decent money too. We moved to NC and now we're 13 days away from closing on our first house. :) My brother and his GF still live in California and he makes over 100K but he can't afford a house. At least one he wants to live in that is.

Umm..where were you paying 1800/month for a 1 bedroom apartment since that might be on the high side. I live in Sunnyvale and have a decent neat and clean apartment with a good neighborhood and only pay 1285/month for a 2 bedroom apartment.

That's still way to high. I paid $900 month for a 3 bed condo in the higher end side of Plano, Texas.

Yeah but comparing living in Sunnyvale California to living in Plano Texas, thats like comparing Heaven and Hell.

:p
 

vi edit

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Not including any costs of healthcare, homes, groceries or anything else....

My wife and I would take almost a $10,000 hit to our gross income simply by moving from a state with a 3% income tax to CA's 9%.

That's a 6% hidden cost that many people don't even consider since they don't "see" that one.
 

manlymatt83

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The median hourly wage in 2006 was $17.42. But to make ends meet, two working parents in a family of four would have to each earn $17.39, just three cents short of the median, the report said. The median is the point at which half make more and half make less.

Was that really needed?
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: trmiv
This is why I moved out of California in June. I lived in the SF Bay Area for my entire life, but I saw the writing on the wall that I would never be able to afford a house there and get ahead saving money. My wife and I were paying $1800/month rent on a 1 bedroom apartment, plus many other expenses and it was just killing us. We were making decent money too. We moved to NC and now we're 13 days away from closing on our first house. :) My brother and his GF still live in California and he makes over 100K but he can't afford a house. At least one he wants to live in that is.

Umm..where were you paying 1800/month for a 1 bedroom apartment since that might be on the high side. I live in Sunnyvale and have a decent neat and clean apartment with a good neighborhood and only pay 1285/month for a 2 bedroom apartment.

Fremont. In Fremont you need to pay a bit more unless you want to live in apartment that you need to plug your nose at 6pm every night due to the massive curry smell, has shopping carts everywhere, and screaming kids running around the halls. My mother-in-law lived in a place nearby with all the wonderful amenities I just described and she was paying $1200.

We're now paying $810/month for a 1200 sqft 2 bedroom, 2 bath apartment in Raleigh, NC and about to close on our first house. Payments on that will be around $1450/month. :) We NEVER could have afforded a house similar to this in a similar neighborhood in California. I do miss California, it will always be my home, but living there just didn't make financial sense anymore.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Median household income is $75K in Santa Clara County which houses most of Silicon Valley. If thats the Median you have 50% above that and 50% below that. I read a recent report that said median household of Asians in Santa Clara county is $98K which is down $5K from 2001 of the tech boom.

Yes its expensive but the wages are very high compred to most of the other parts of the Country. There are plusses and minuses to each situation.

I think its a great place to live and stockpile money and then bail out at the 10yr or 15yr mark and pay cash for a house in some other area. People get caught in the "keeping up with the Jonses" out here and all try and live above there means. If you live a frugal lifestyle in a modest apartment you can bank a lot of money!