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Corvette Safe, Buick Turbo is Back, No Chevy G8

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Looks like they are trying to deliberately kill off the G8 permanently. I don't get it. I guess GM is going to be all FWD (except Corvette obviously).

There was speculation the G8 would become a Buick GS or GSX, but I doubt that now.

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Its unfortunate that GM won't continue with the G8 but I suspect it has largely to do with upcoming CAFE standards. Its just a bit too thirsty and a bit too big. However at least the platform won't be a complete waste. After all, the Camaro uses a slightly modified version of the chassis and everybody comments on how good it is. Maybe GM should outsource all its suspension work to the Aussies.
 
The Gov. want's GM to build the cars that make sense but no one really wants. I can see 15 year from now how the G8 and Camaro SS will highly sought-after collectibles like the older performance Mustangs, Cudas, and Camaros are now. Watch "Mechan auto auctions" and see what these cars fetch now, it's staggering!.
 
If GM can get a turbo Buick to market quickly, it will trump resurgent Ford Motor Company. Ford's gas direct-injected, turbocharged EcoBoost priority has been on V-6s as V-8 alternatives. GM has no production V-6 turbos ready, but it has the jump on gas direct-injection turbo fours. A 1.4-liter turbo four in the 2011 Chevy Cruze replaces the 2.2-liter naturally aspirated four in the (non-SS) Cobalt, and that engine could become a pillar of GM's fuel economy strategy.
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Uhhh....what's sitting under the hood of the Saab 9-3 Aero's?

That's the same 2.8L that was in 1st gen Caddy CTS's with a turbo bolted on.
 
Originally posted by: vi edit
If GM can get a turbo Buick to market quickly, it will trump resurgent Ford Motor Company. Ford's gas direct-injected, turbocharged EcoBoost priority has been on V-6s as V-8 alternatives. GM has no production V-6 turbos ready, but it has the jump on gas direct-injection turbo fours. A 1.4-liter turbo four in the 2011 Chevy Cruze replaces the 2.2-liter naturally aspirated four in the (non-SS) Cobalt, and that engine could become a pillar of GM's fuel economy strategy.
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Uhhh....what's sitting under the hood of the Saab 9-3 Aero's?

That's the same 2.8L that was in 1st gen Caddy CTS's with a turbo bolted on.
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And it is in the Opel Insignia as well (at least the performance version). I have not driven a car with the engine..but from everything that I've heard it is extremely solid.
 
I'm really saddened that the G8 will not make it to Chevy...but I was expecting that. I really don't see any future exciting vehicles coming out of GM anytime soon other than "green" vehicles. Hopefully they will get out of this mess soon so they can put some of that engineering toward more fun cars.

Luckily there are quite a few that they already have now (Corvette, Camaro, CTS, etc)
 
Camaro is RWD. I said yesterday in the G8 thread that the G8 is a competitor to the Camaro. Sedan/coupe do not hugely overlap, but some people would probably cross-shop them.
 
Yeah I bet with the new CAFE standards we'll only see V8 engines in the Corvette, full sized pickup, and the biggest Cadillac sedan (as an option?).

Is it true that RWD is inherently heavier than FWD (and therefore less fuel efficient)??
 
Originally posted by: Knavish
Yeah I bet with the new CAFE standards we'll only see V8 engines in the Corvette, full sized pickup, and the biggest Cadillac sedan (as an option?).

Is it true that RWD is inherently heavier than FWD (and therefore less fuel efficient)??
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An RWD chassis is heavier as well since it must handle the drivetrain's torque throughout the whole car. An FWD chassis just needs to hold itself up.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Camaro is RWD. I said yesterday in the G8 thread that the G8 is a competitor to the Camaro. Sedan/coupe do not hugely overlap, but some people would probably cross-shop them.
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I disagree. You don't intentionally cross shop a large 4dr sedan with a 2 dr performance coupe.
However, I do see cross shopping a 4 malibu/Impala/Fuzion/Maxima/Altima/Accord etc. since they are closer in size to one another.

Someone looking into a V8 RWD 2dr looks at Camaros & Mustangs or an older Vette.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Camaro is RWD. I said yesterday in the G8 thread that the G8 is a competitor to the Camaro. Sedan/coupe do not hugely overlap, but some people would probably cross-shop them.
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Yeah...I remember you saying that...but I'm just not buying it completely. There may be a little cross shopping...but very little overall. Usually someone who wants a 2 door...wants a 2 door. And someone who wants a 4 door wants (or has to have) a 4 door. I don't think too many people go to the dealership indecisive on that point.
 
what's the point of a turbo buick? buick is for old people, unless then intend on completely overhauling the brand.
 
Originally posted by: vi edit
If GM can get a turbo Buick to market quickly, it will trump resurgent Ford Motor Company. Ford's gas direct-injected, turbocharged EcoBoost priority has been on V-6s as V-8 alternatives. GM has no production V-6 turbos ready, but it has the jump on gas direct-injection turbo fours. A 1.4-liter turbo four in the 2011 Chevy Cruze replaces the 2.2-liter naturally aspirated four in the (non-SS) Cobalt, and that engine could become a pillar of GM's fuel economy strategy.
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Uhhh....what's sitting under the hood of the Saab 9-3 Aero's?

That's the same 2.8L that was in 1st gen Caddy CTS's with a turbo bolted on.
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Why, it's a turbo V6 under the hood of mine. And it's 2.8L. And I was surprised how nice of an engine it is.
 
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
The Gov. want's GM to build the cars that make sense but no one really wants. I can see 15 year from now how the G8 and Camaro SS will highly sought-after collectibles like the older performance Mustangs, Cudas, and Camaros are now. Watch "Mechan auto auctions" and see what these cars fetch now, it's staggering!.
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The government is doing what we're telling them to do. We're all crying at them "Reduce our dependence on foreign oil!" and "Gas is too expensive!". So they do that by creating regulations on car companies to make their cars more fuel efficient so we use less gas, and then we complain about not having powerful V8 gas guzzling cars in the auto companies lineups. That makes sense.
 
The big thing GM lost it's way on was the whole concept was a vehicle for every pocketbook idea.

You have the low-end makes and the high-end...now each lineup has the same car with a few trim differences at each price point.

It's hard for a company to survive long-term with it's siblings all in competition.

 
I wouldn't worry about it. As long as GM still owns Holden, it will always be there. Right now, it's about getting the company profitable again.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Welcome to 1970 part 2.
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Yeah I know, I was thinking the same thing. 🙁

We have all the ingredients for reliving the disastrous 70's: huge deficits, lots of inflation, democrats in Congress, and looming CAFE standards.
 
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Welcome to 1970 part 2.
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Yeah I know, I was thinking the same thing. 🙁

We have all the ingredients for reliving the disastrous 70's: huge deficits, lots of inflation, democrats in Congress, and looming CAFE standards.
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you realize bipartisan politics played out in the 60's, why are you still eating that dogma?
 
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Ford has a Turbo V6 ready...
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as does GM.
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What turbo V6 does GM currently have that is in production that can compete with the 3.5 ecoboost?

Saabs engines aren't competitive and can't really be considered since the company is on the auction block.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
I wonder if GM is holding out hope to sell Pontiac? I haven't heard of any suitors though.
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My understanding was that the brand was just going to die. I don't ever recall hearing that they intended to sell it. There's no dealer network to sell along with it ala Saturn and Hummer. I doubt there are any stand alone Pontiac stores left. They've been combining Buick, GMC and Pontiac dealers together for the past 10 years or so.
 
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