Corsair COOL for the A64

[imported_Soldier]

All I can say is wow. Just installed the Corsair Cool setup for the A64 on my 3400 NewCastle rig, stock clock is 2.4 Ghz. After installation and one night of leak testing and then some cure time for the AS5 I'm already at 2.6 Ghz and idling at 31c with a case temp of 34c. Air cooling at stock clocks it would idle at 39c, at 2.6 it would be about 46c idle....Sandra is placing my rig about with the FX-55 in performance. Real world gaming with Pariah and Republic Commando looks like I gained about 15% in fps, while my rig was already fast, now it's flying.

Highly recommended as far as im concerned!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835181002

 

[Bona Fide]

Watercooling eh? I've heard good things about the Tt Bigwater also.

Sorry to point this out, but you could've done that on air. A Zalman HSF would have done that OC no sweat.

 

[HardWarrior]

Check your temp sources, Soldier. Water-cooling can't produce temps lower than ambient. Otherwise, I'm glad you're happy with your purchase.

 

[imported_Soldier]

Bona Fide : no the Zalman wont do that OC with those temp, I tried. I also tried an XP120 and that wouldnt cut it either. Both worked but would start to error out after long runs of Folding.

HardWarrior : I didnt post my ambient temp, only case (closed) and cpu.....the board and chip are 9 months old so I am very familiar by now on the accuracy of the temp diodes...

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[HardWarrior]

What where you trying to convey with these numbers then?

"idling at 31c with a case temp of 34c"

 

[imported_Soldier]

CPU temps...

What clocks are you getting HardWarrior ? Looks like our rigs are very similar. Im running Corsair XMS Pro and also have a 6800GT, but mines only at Ultra clocks

 

[HardWarrior]

420\117 on the GT. I'm at stock on the 3400 though. TBH, my mb is very confusing in terms of OCing. Every time a try it I end up having to reset the BIOS. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Acanthus]

The zalman resorator owns the Bigwater and Cool.

Fanless, ease of setup, and just plain superior design.

 

[HardWarrior]

Please don't be insulted by this, but a passive solution can't hold a candle to an active one.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Please don't be insulted by this, but a passive solution can't hold a candle to an active one.

Check the reviews, a passive solution with a radiator 4x the size of the active cooling one, outside the case, can do just as well.

And be silent, and easier to install.

 

[HardWarrior]

I read several reviews of the Res 1 when I was thinking about buying one. I know you have one and will be intent on defending it, but again, a Resorator simply can't keep up with an active solution. Surface area represents only a part of the equation. My system can dissipate something like 250 watts, and that's before my rad fans spin up starting at 25c. The Res is what, 80 watts? Remember Acanthus, I am NOT trying to start an argument here.

 

[imported_Soldier]

Acanthus the resorator is way too cumbersome for my needs, and I don't like tubing outside my case. As far as your data on the effectiveness of the resorator I'd like to see a link or two. From what I remember reading when it first came out it was a low performance solution.

HardWarrior to OC with the NF3 chipset is not to hard. I would relax the ram timings to 2.5-3-3-7 from 2-2-2-5 to start. Set the LDT from whatever is default (probably 3x) to 2x, you dont really loose any performance by lowering the LDT so no worries. I would then set the CPU to 1.6v, dont go higher without serious cooling. At this point you've allowed the ram to run faster, opened up some headroom in the LDT datapath, and you've prepped the CPU to add Mhz. Now you can slowly start moving the HTT setting up, try 5 Mhz at a time. On my board the HTT is label "CPU Overclock". Most boards will go to 225 without any real issues at these settings. Keep in mind that you do have an option with the ram if you want to stay with the 2-2-2-5 timings, you can use the ram divider. My understanding is there is little if any impact on performance by using the ram divider, especialy if you clock high enough to get the ram running close to or above 200 Mhz again. Under NO circumstances should you ever run at the 2T timing to gain ram speed unless your going past 250, the move from 1T to 2T is the same as losing 50Mhz in ram speed and kills performance on the A64.

With the settings I gave you 2.6 should be fairly easy. You can do some reading at the link below if you like, but dont over complicate OCing the A64. Just write down what I gave you for settings and give it a go. If successfull you can try tightening the ram back down to 2-3-3-6 (or lower) if you just go to 12 x 217 like I did. I read on Corsairs site that the XMS Pro memory will run to 250 at 2.5-3-3-7 so 217 is easy for the ram running 1:1 (with no divider).

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=306418

 

[HardWarrior]

Geez, you're good. Printed and ready. I'll hit this tommorow morning with my Sunday coffee. Thanks for taking the time to explain it, Soldier. :thumbsup:

 

[Acanthus]

Well im not defending it because i own it, im saying it was the best solution for me.

If you think having a small radiator with a fan inside a case is better than a raidator outside the case, over 4 times the size, fanless, and incredibly easy to set up design. More power to you.

I can only tell you that it cools an overclocked and overvolted 1st revision prescott just fine (never over 45c).

 

[HardWarrior]

Whether it's the best solution for you or not simply isn't in question here, Acanthus. However, I think we both know that defending what one has purchased can, and often is contested tooth-and-nail, even in the face of contrary facts.

No, I don't "think" any such thing. I know that surface area in a convection water-cooling system like yours in no way indicates superior cooling compared to adequate surface area in a forced-air water-cooling system. That you feel the Res 1 is quiet and easy to install isn't the point. I don't mind the noise and actually enjoy the added complexity.

Again, my cooler dissipates roughly 250 watts. Yours dissipates about 80 watts. There's nothing wrong with you being happy with what you have, but in this arena numbers mean something quite specific.

 

[imported_Soldier]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Geez, you're good. Printed and ready. I'll hit this tommorow morning with my Sunday coffee. Thanks for taking the time to explain it, Soldier. :thumbsup:

Glad to help, I'll check back tomorrow to see how you made out....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Whether it's the best solution for you or not simply isn't in question here, Acanthus. However, I think we both know that defending what one has purchased can, and often is contested tooth-and-nail, even in the face of contrary facts.

No, I don't "think" any such thing. I know that surface area in a convection water-cooling system like yours in no way indicates superior cooling compared to adequate surface area in a forced-air water-cooling system. That you feel the Res 1 is quiet and easy to install isn't the point. I don't mind the noise and actually enjoy the added complexity.

Again, my cooler dissipates roughly 250 watts. Yours dissipates about 80 watts. There's nothing wrong with you being happy with what you have, but in this arena numbers mean something quite specific.

So youre telling me an overclocked P4E and overclocked 6800GT put out 80 watts?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Whether it's the best solution for you or not simply isn't in question here, Acanthus. However, I think we both know that defending what one has purchased can, and often is contested tooth-and-nail, even in the face of contrary facts.

No, I don't "think" any such thing. I know that surface area in a convection water-cooling system like yours in no way indicates superior cooling compared to adequate surface area in a forced-air water-cooling system. That you feel the Res 1 is quiet and easy to install isn't the point. I don't mind the noise and actually enjoy the added complexity.

Again, my cooler dissipates roughly 250 watts. Yours dissipates about 80 watts. There's nothing wrong with you being happy with what you have, but in this arena numbers mean something quite specific.

So youre telling me an overclocked P4E and overclocked 6800GT put out 80 watts?

No, I'm telling you that the maximum dissipation potential of your Res 1 is +/- 80 watts. That number simply isn't superior to the potential of a properly designed forced-air water-cooler. Which IS what you've said here, right?

Soldier: I appreciate that. Wish me luck and thanks again for the easy-to-understand roadmap.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Whether it's the best solution for you or not simply isn't in question here, Acanthus. However, I think we both know that defending what one has purchased can, and often is contested tooth-and-nail, even in the face of contrary facts.

No, I don't "think" any such thing. I know that surface area in a convection water-cooling system like yours in no way indicates superior cooling compared to adequate surface area in a forced-air water-cooling system. That you feel the Res 1 is quiet and easy to install isn't the point. I don't mind the noise and actually enjoy the added complexity.

Again, my cooler dissipates roughly 250 watts. Yours dissipates about 80 watts. There's nothing wrong with you being happy with what you have, but in this arena numbers mean something quite specific.

So youre telling me an overclocked P4E and overclocked 6800GT put out 80 watts?

No, I'm telling you that the maximum dissipation potential of your Res 1 is +/- 80 watts. That number simply isn't superior to the potential of a properly designed forced-air water-cooler. Which IS what you've said here, right?

Soldier: I appreciate that. Wish me luck and thanks again for the easy-to-understand roadmap.

Alright, your water is colder than my water! /victory etc...

I just came in here to show the option i preferred. Its a matter of personal preference. I can tell you right now that my rig puts out more than DOUBLE what you are claiming the rated wattage is.

 

[HardWarrior]

You really aren't prepared for a discussion like this, Acanthus. If you're going to hawk the Res 1, you need to know a lot more about it. Again, this is a game of numbers, not wishful thinking and self-delusion.

/EOL

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
You really aren't prepared for a discussion like this, Acanthus. If you're going to hawk the Res 1, you need to know a lot more about it. Again, this is a game of numbers, not wishful thinking and self-delusion.

/EOL

It is in fact a game of numbers, not the a game of real world performance. Just like the LL memory in your sig, grats on spending over twice as much for 3% performance.

Like i said, it works, and it works great. Just because your watercooling can handle 250w (whether you picked that number arbitrarily or there is an actual spec i dont know) doesnt mean my setup cant handle REAL WORLD HEAT OUTPUT. Im not here for a pissing contest. You obviously are.

The sad part is my "inferior" watercooling is cooling a Venice @ 2.7ghz right now.

Do you pop in other threads and go "LOL you bought a raptor!?" "My 5 raptors in raid 0 owns that, you clearly cant keep up with my solution, but dont get offended".

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
You really aren't prepared for a discussion like this, Acanthus. If you're going to hawk the Res 1, you need to know a lot more about it. Again, this is a game of numbers, not wishful thinking and self-delusion.

/EOL

It is in fact a game of numbers, not the a game of real world performance. Just like the LL memory in your sig, grats on spending over twice as much for 3% performance.

Like i said, it works, and it works great. Just because your watercooling can handle 250w (whether you picked that number arbitrarily or there is an actual spec i dont know) doesnt mean my setup cant handle REAL WORLD HEAT OUTPUT. Im not here for a pissing contest. You obviously are.

The sad part is my "inferior" watercooling is cooling a Venice @ 2.7ghz right now.

Do you pop in other threads and go "LOL you bought a raptor!?" "My 5 raptors in raid 0 owns that, you clearly cant keep up with my solution, but dont get offended".

You shouldn't talk. You spent close to $300 on a fashion statement, not the ultra-fly performance cooler that you're so desperate to believe you have. That's just plain feminine. On top of your other negative traits, you have the audacity to attack my choices after I went out of the way not to attack yours. Pathetic.

Yeah, I'm sure it does work, but it isn't better than a fan driven water-cooler. Which IS what you said, Mr. man. Just because you can lie your way into a false sense of superiority doesn?t mean you can expect not to be challenged on it. If you think I'm lying about my numbers, look in my sig AGAIN and hunt up the specs for yourself. I'd be surprised if you took this route though. You don't even have a clue what the specs are for your own cooler. That's pathetic too, especially considering that you want to flap your gums about its all-encompassing "virtues."

I NEVER said that your "cooler" was inferior. What I did was counter your whiny drivel about how that eyesore is better than anything else in the freaking universe. SHOW me were I called that overpriced hunk of turtle dung inferior, or even where I disrespected you OR your limp-wristed choices. If you can't do this, you either need to log out, take your meds and come back a whole person or just STFU about it.

Remember when I said I didn't want to argue, you brain-dead ass? I feel differently now. Bring me more of your lying, self-congratulatory, delusional, crybaby BS to ridicule.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
You really aren't prepared for a discussion like this, Acanthus. If you're going to hawk the Res 1, you need to know a lot more about it. Again, this is a game of numbers, not wishful thinking and self-delusion.

/EOL

It is in fact a game of numbers, not the a game of real world performance. Just like the LL memory in your sig, grats on spending over twice as much for 3% performance.

Like i said, it works, and it works great. Just because your watercooling can handle 250w (whether you picked that number arbitrarily or there is an actual spec i dont know) doesnt mean my setup cant handle REAL WORLD HEAT OUTPUT. Im not here for a pissing contest. You obviously are.

The sad part is my "inferior" watercooling is cooling a Venice @ 2.7ghz right now.

Do you pop in other threads and go "LOL you bought a raptor!?" "My 5 raptors in raid 0 owns that, you clearly cant keep up with my solution, but dont get offended".

You shouldn't talk. You spent close to $300 on a fashion statement, not the ultra-fly performance cooler that you're so desperate to believe you have. That's just plain feminine. On top of your other negative traits, you have the audacity to attack my choices after I went out of the way not to attack yours. Pathetic.

Yeah, I'm sure it does work, but it isn't better than a fan driven water-cooler. Which IS what you said, Mr. man. Just because you can lie your way into a false sense of superiority doesn?t mean you can expect not to be challenged on it. If you think I'm lying about my numbers, look in my sig AGAIN and hunt up the specs for yourself. I'd be surprised if you took this route though. You don't even have a clue what the specs are for your own cooler. That's pathetic too, especially considering that you want to flap your gums about its all-encompassing "virtues."

I NEVER said that your "cooler" was inferior. What I did was counter your whiny drivel about how that eyesore is better than anything else in the freaking universe. SHOW me were I called that overpriced hunk of turtle dung inferior, or even where I disrespected you OR your limp-wristed choices. If you can't do this, you either need to log out, take your meds and come back a whole person or just STFU about it.

Remember when I said I didn't want to argue, you brain-dead ass? I feel differently now. Bring me more of your lying, self-congratulatory, delusional, crybaby BS to ridicule.

Personal attacks are definately a way to win an argument.

Im not going to troll in this thread. If you truely believe what you are saying, i am sad for you. Im not going to dig up data on how well a zalman resorator cools compared to a "forced air" system. Because it doesnt matter, they both do the exact same thing. Youre not gonna get below ambient with either one, and both can handle any load you can place on it today (Short of maybe the atrocity of the century, the Pentium-D).

Im not claiming the resorator is better than anything, im telling the people here that its easier to set up, comes with everything you need, and cools everything out there just fine.

It doesnt even get warm to the touch with the Venice @ 2.7ghz, the northbridge cooler, and the GPU cooler.

You brought the criticism of your rig and attitude on yourself, i reccomended something that worked out great for me, and you directly attacked me for it. How about *YOU* show *ME* those amazing overclocks on your cooler that the zalman cannot do? why? because its a waste of time. Im not going to dig up crap for hours just to prove it cools things fine.

And judging from the direct personal attacks you slung at me in your response, youre about 16, if youre not, its time to grow up.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

HardWarrior and Acanthus: Are ya'll done? Damn ya'll ruined a really good thread. Soldier: Thanks for the info. So I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I'm not overclocking my system (I actually can't on my mobo), and I have plenty of room in my case. Do you think there would be any point in going to water cooling on a dual Xeon system?
Tas.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: tasburrfoot78362
HardWarrior and Acanthus: Are ya'll done? Damn ya'll ruined a really good thread. Soldier: Thanks for the info. So I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I'm not overclocking my system (I actually can't on my mobo), and I have plenty of room in my case. Do you think there would be any point in going to water cooling on a dual Xeon system?
Tas.

Yeah im done.

Watercooling for Xeons wouldnt be all that helpful unless you are overclocking or want a quieter system. Lower temps dont really do anything besides increasing the overclocking ceiling.

I would say its a waste of money in your case. (unless of course you are having heat-related stability issues.)