Corrupt Principal...Advice Needed.

[darktubbly]

Worthless Fs@#*&.

I personally know several of the dedicated teachers at Cezar Chavez and heard what really goes on there...

1) So-called "fundraisers" to purchase supplies (some teachers don't even have chalk), but the proceeds disappear without a trace.

2) Acosta *screaming* at kids in the schools and turning away upset parents who do not have a strong grasp of the English language.

3) Misappropriation of *funeral proceeds* for a secretary who passed away. WTF?!

4) Charging students from low-income families 3-4 dollars for a slice of pizza for so-called fundraisers.

Apparently an anonymous individual sent in a letter to the school board about a month ago detailing these and several other instances of misconduct. However, with Acosta buddying up to the governor, is there anyone who will really listen? Local TV stations perhaps? The Washington Post? Anybody?

 

[ReiAyanami]

that reminds me of when i used to goto an elementary school in HISD when rod paige was the superindendant. a few years later i found out the cafeteria workers were stealing food from kids and they were featured on marvin zhindler's "slime in the ice machine" meaning they failed health inspection (ppl in h-town who watch ABC channel 13 know what i mean)

they sold the stolen stuff below cost to local restaurants (of course it cost them $0)
i guess it's better than feeding bad meat to kids

go, rod paige go! (as in get out!!)

 

[brxndxn]

That's why I like vouchers..

My private school was able to educate me for about 1/2 the cost of what our local public school system claimed it cost per student for education. Capitalsm works.. introduce it to schools and then allocate the most funding to the highest-performing schools and the ones with lowest average family incomes.

For current public schools, give vouchers to kids in lower performing schools. It's unfair that my teachers at my private school were paid $19-25k per year while the teachers at the local public schools were paid $35-50k per year. (actual published numbers from an article I read in the local paper years ago)

 

[darktubbly]

That's the thing...one of the items brought up in the letter was the fact that due to Acosta's antics, the good teachers transfer to other schools leaving poorly-trained substitutes in their place. Any advice on who to contact to ruffle some feathers?

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
That's why I like vouchers..

My private school was able to educate me for about 1/2 the cost of what our local public school system claimed it cost per student for education. Capitalsm works.. introduce it to schools and then allocate the most funding to the highest-performing schools and the ones with lowest average family incomes.

For current public schools, give vouchers to kids in lower performing schools. It's unfair that my teachers at my private school were paid $19-25k per year while the teachers at the local public schools were paid $35-50k per year. (actual published numbers from an article I read in the local paper years ago)

i support vouchers too. fck the public school lobby. they are powerful, and they'll never let it happen.

 

[JoeKing]

Forget 30-50k I say pay teachers 100-150K then competition for the teaching jobs would be so high and competitve many more highly trained teachers (read: those that hold masters degrees) will flock to the profession. And pressure to keep these higher paying jobs will keep the teachers "caring" for what they do.

 

[Ikonomi]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
that reminds me of when i used to goto an elementary school in HISD when rod paige was the superindendant. a few years later i found out the cafeteria workers were stealing food from kids and they were featured on marvin zhindler's "slime in the ice machine" meaning they failed health inspection (ppl in h-town who watch ABC channel 13 know what i mean)

they sold the stolen stuff below cost to local restaurants (of course it cost them $0)
i guess it's better than feeding bad meat to kids

go, rod paige go! (as in get out!!)

Out of curiosity, what elementary school?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
Forget 30-50k I say pay teachers 100-150K then competition for the teaching jobs would be so high and competitve many more highly trained teachers (read: those that hold masters degrees) will flock to the profession. And pressure to keep these higher paying jobs will keep the teachers "caring" for what they do.

Fvck that. Anyone can get a great education by going to the library for free. Can't force dumbasses to learn.

 

[JoeKing]

kids are forced to go to school. So if they're forced why not give them a high quality education.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
Forget 30-50k I say pay teachers 100-150K then competition for the teaching jobs would be so high and competitve many more highly trained teachers (read: those that hold masters degrees) will flock to the profession. And pressure to keep these higher paying jobs will keep the teachers "caring" for what they do.

You DON'T need master degrees for most school age children, particularly below maybe 11th grade. i agree teachers are underpaid, but a lot of them suck. i hope in one way, it acts as a filter, the greedy money grubbing whores aren't interested, and the really sincere ones stick.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
kids are forced to go to school. So if they're forced why not give them a high quality education.

Why spend resources on people who don't want to learn, when not enough is spent on those that do want to learn(i.e. magnet schools)?
I just don't understand why we should teach anyone anything they don't want to learn. If they want to walk around being a moron it is their fault entirely.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Joeyman
Forget 30-50k I say pay teachers 100-150K then competition for the teaching jobs would be so high and competitve many more highly trained teachers (read: those that hold masters degrees) will flock to the profession. And pressure to keep these higher paying jobs will keep the teachers "caring" for what they do.

You DON'T need master degrees for most school age children, particularly below maybe 11th grade. i agree teachers are underpaid, but a lot of them suck. i hope in one way, it acts as a filter, the greedy money grubbing whores aren't interested, and the really sincere ones stick.

you don't get it do you? The high paying job would act as a filter because competition would weed out the less than adequete teachers. The masters degrees would just come around as competition for the jobs increases. The principle would have more of a choice when hiring teachers.

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Joeyman
kids are forced to go to school. So if they're forced why not give them a high quality education.

Why spend resources on people who don't want to learn, when not enough is spent on those that do want to learn(i.e. magnet schools)?
I just don't understand why we should teach anyone anything they don't want to learn. If they want to walk around being a moron it is their fault entirely.

The thing is these walking morons are going to be part of the society no matter what. And the social leeching will stretch out through their entire lives because of substandard teaching (welfare, medicare, crime =police spending, jails, courts). It's all one big cause and effect deal. Education is one of the most important resources of this country and it's continually the first item on the budget cutting blocks.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Joeyman

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Joeyman
Forget 30-50k I say pay teachers 100-150K then competition for the teaching jobs would be so high and competitve many more highly trained teachers (read: those that hold masters degrees) will flock to the profession. And pressure to keep these higher paying jobs will keep the teachers "caring" for what they do.

You DON'T need master degrees for most school age children, particularly below maybe 11th grade. i agree teachers are underpaid, but a lot of them suck. i hope in one way, it acts as a filter, the greedy money grubbing whores aren't interested, and the really sincere ones stick.

you don't get it do you? The high paying job would act as a filter because competition would weed out the less than adequete teachers. The masters degrees would just come around as competition for the jobs increases. The principle would have more of a choice when hiring teachers.

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Joeyman
kids are forced to go to school. So if they're forced why not give them a high quality education.

Why spend resources on people who don't want to learn, when not enough is spent on those that do want to learn(i.e. magnet schools)?
I just don't understand why we should teach anyone anything they don't want to learn. If they want to walk around being a moron it is their fault entirely.

The thing is these walking morons are going to be part of the society no matter what. And the social leeching will stretch out through their entire lives because of substandard teaching (welfare, medicare, crime =police spending, jails, courts). It's all one big cause and effect deal. Education is one of the most important resources of this country and it's continually the first item on the budget cutting blocks.

That's why we should cut any healthcare or welfare for morons. You cannot educate a moron even by force. Not possible. Anyway, I don't think paying teachers 150k would work. States barely have enough money at current salary levels, and the feds are some major deficits.

 

[JoeKing]

if the pay is increased, and assumeing this will increase education (this is what I believe, it won't eduacte everyone but will educate more) then we won't have to pay as much into healthcare and crime spending. I bet the pay increase would pay for itself in a decade or two.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Joeyman

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Joeyman
Forget 30-50k I say pay teachers 100-150K then competition for the teaching jobs would be so high and competitve many more highly trained teachers (read: those that hold masters degrees) will flock to the profession. And pressure to keep these higher paying jobs will keep the teachers "caring" for what they do.

You DON'T need master degrees for most school age children, particularly below maybe 11th grade. i agree teachers are underpaid, but a lot of them suck. i hope in one way, it acts as a filter, the greedy money grubbing whores aren't interested, and the really sincere ones stick.

you don't get it do you? The high paying job would act as a filter because competition would weed out the less than adequete teachers. The masters degrees would just come around as competition for the jobs increases. The principle would have more of a choice when hiring teachers.

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Joeyman
kids are forced to go to school. So if they're forced why not give them a high quality education.

Why spend resources on people who don't want to learn, when not enough is spent on those that do want to learn(i.e. magnet schools)?
I just don't understand why we should teach anyone anything they don't want to learn. If they want to walk around being a moron it is their fault entirely.

The thing is these walking morons are going to be part of the society no matter what. And the social leeching will stretch out through their entire lives because of substandard teaching (welfare, medicare, crime =police spending, jails, courts). It's all one big cause and effect deal. Education is one of the most important resources of this country and it's continually the first item on the budget cutting blocks.

whatever you may think, its a totally unrealistic plan. we already have public schools getting overcrowded, they are already considering outsourcing teachers from other countries, and you propose to pay them 100k, lets say even 50k??!? i'm not trying to knock u, but it just wont work.

 

[SherEPunjab]

btw, pouring more money isn't the key. we already pour more money than probably any other nation, but our education system is one of the worst (not counting univ.).

 

[JoeKing]

we pour more money becuase we have more people to teach. why does the country only go into national debt for war? If we invested a few trillion into the education system over say 10 years I purpose many problems would decrease.

And how can you say putting money into the school system isn't going to work. It'll be better than how it is now at least. Have you been in a school latley? Equipment and supplies are constantly in short supply. Many teachers take money out of pocket to buy extra supplies, which woulnd't hurt them too bad if starting teachers salaries was more than 23K a year.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
we pour more money becuase we have more people to teach. why does the country only go into national debt for war? If we invested a few trillion into the education system over say 10 years I purpose many problems would decrease.

And how can you say putting money into the school system isn't going to work. It'll be better than how it is now at least. Have you been in a school latley? Equipment and supplies are constantly in short supply. Many teachers take money out of pocket to buy extra supplies, which woulnd't hurt them too bad if starting teachers salaries was more than 23K a year.

mismanagement of funds. system needs to run more efficient. pouring trillions is not the answer.

 

[JoeKing]

I agree with you there. School admins, and their many many assistants, make far more money (supers make 200K+, and subsequntly often carry doctorates).

One key problem is the distribution of school funds. This is becuase school taxes are based on the income of the surrounding community. So richer communites get better funded schools (and teachers are higher paid) and consequently better programs & test scores. Why do you think new homeowners often move to communities with better schools. But poorer communities get the shaft. If the distribution of of school funds could be normalized across the board then a more equal education to all students can be had. And the increased funding of schools could be felt by all. The way the system is now we are producing a two tier system of poorly educated and highly educated people. Where the higher educated often pay for the social services the poor use.

I know this probably isn't going to happen, simply becuase americans are in love with the idea of "giving their child an advantage" very selfish but true.

 

[Dragnov]

The high school I attended is a national blue ribbon school as it proudly shows on a banner... TOO BAD ITS FOR 1998! lol.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
That's why I like vouchers..

My private school was able to educate me for about 1/2 the cost of what our local public school system claimed it cost per student for education. Capitalsm works.. introduce it to schools and then allocate the most funding to the highest-performing schools and the ones with lowest average family incomes.

For current public schools, give vouchers to kids in lower performing schools. It's unfair that my teachers at my private school were paid $19-25k per year while the teachers at the local public schools were paid $35-50k per year. (actual published numbers from an article I read in the local paper years ago)

How are vouchers are going to fix corruption in a school system?

 

[darktubbly]

Bump for ze mornin' crowd. Anyone actually have any advice on who to contact?

 

[StageLeft]

I would support vouchers, because frankly I will not be sending my kids to all but a scant few of the public schools in Alabama, and we don't live in the rich neighborhoods that allow you to send them there. So, if we're still here we'll be doing private schooling anyway.

How are vouchers are going to fix corruption in a school system?

It will shrink and be forced to be more streamlined so that it stays attractive to people.

 

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: darktubbly
Bump for ze mornin' crowd. Anyone actually have any advice on who to contact?

the media? local news station? some journalists? i guess anybody that can "expose" this, making some kind of action necessary...

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: darktubbly
Bump for ze mornin' crowd. Anyone actually have any advice on who to contact?

News media and your Local PTA between the two of them someone should be intersted. If you can organize a group of concerned parents to attend the board meetings and be very vocal with the local news media to cover it that is also a good tactic. The trick is to be persistant. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the oil.