Corporations are people. So what if people were corporations?

Oldgamer

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“Checked the tax code,” wrote a friend who’s engaged to a woman from a low-tax country. “Unfortunately, marrying [my fiancee] does not entitle me to a tax inversion like the big US companies are getting. Thanks for nothing IRS.”

That got me thinking. Maybe we’ve been looking at this whole corporations-are-people-too foofaraw the wrong way. Critics complained when the Supreme Court granted companies rights to freedom of speech and religion under the legal fiction that corporations are people. But perhaps this precedent is good news for flesh-and-blood people like you and me (a.k.a. People Classic™).

If companies are claiming the rights and privileges of people, maybe people should start claiming the rights and privileges of corporations. Rights harmonization, in other words, should flow in both directions, since we’re now all indistinguishable, equally protected “persons” — in the court’s eyes, anyway.

I spoke with a few legal and tax experts about what we humans stand to gain from my cutting-edge constitutional insight. Turns out corporations enjoy tons of rights and privileges that biological beings should be salivating over.

The most obvious place to start is taxes. Companies save billions from loopholes that don’t apply to individuals — yet.

People, for example, pay taxes on their worldwide incomes. Corporations do not, as long as they don’t bring the foreign profits back into the United States. And tax attorneys have come up with clever ways of booking an unexpectedly high share of corporate income abroad.

Businesses, for example, can transfer their “intangible” property — things like patents or trademarks — to holding companies in tax havens. That means a company such as Apple could assign ownership of its patents to a subsidiary in Bermuda, and any profits resulting from those patents would get taxed in Bermuda only. Unless and until those profits were repatriated to the States, Uncle Sam wouldn’t get a cut.

If you think about it, humans have valuable intangible assets, too. Take, for instance, a college degree.

According to Martin Sullivan, the chief economist at Tax Analysts, if individuals were treated like corporations, I could set up an affiliate called “Catherine Rampell Bermuda,” have it pay my college tuition and then declare that the affiliate owns the resulting degree. I could then tell the IRS that everything I earn above the average high school grad’s wage should be recorded as income in Bermuda, since it’s all derived from a Bermuda-based asset. Until I decide to repatriate those diploma-derived earnings, I’ve built myself a tax-free IRA.

Other goodies abound. On federal tax returns, individuals can deduct either the sales taxes they paid or their state income taxes, not both; for companies, these deductions are all-you-can-eat. If people were treated like companies, we could also start deducting the first dollar we spend on health care, rather than just the medical spending that exceeds 10 percent of our adjusted gross incomes.

Home-buying would also become more attractive. Right now there are limits to how much mortgage interest humans can deduct. But if you analogize your primary residence to a “corporate headquarters” and your vacation homes to “branch offices,” you can deduct the full interest on every McMansion you ever buy.

The tax code isn’t the only place where we might enjoy gaining our corporate brethren’s rights.

If people were treated like corporations, perhaps we’d be able to “merge” with whomever we want without worrying about restrictive marriage laws, noted Adam Winkler, a UCLA law professor. We could also choose to abide by the family law in whichever state we like best, regardless of where we live. Companies, after all, can incorporate in the jurisdiction with the most favorable corporate governance laws, regardless of where they operate, explained Kent Greenfield, a law professor at Boston College. That’s one reason Delaware is home to more businesses than people.

But the best perk of being treated like an incorporeal corporation?

Even if you killed someone, stole a house, funded a genocidal regime or terrorize the global economy, you wouldn’t go to jail. At worst, you’d pay a fine. Sure, you could be executed for your crimes — sort of — by having your charter revoked or by being driven to bankruptcy by onerous penalties, but you could always return from the dead with a different name but much of the same DNA. To err is human; to err and bounce back unscathed, you really need to be a company.


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Interesting take and philosophical view by the author..

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her209

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If people were corporations, you can legally own another person. The South will rise again!
 
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glenn1

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It is official; I will incorporate myself and then do whatever I want,.. 'MURICA!!

I doubt you could afford the incorporation fees. Heck, maybe we should require everyone to pay incorporation fees to enjoy their rights. And as if many Democrats even pay taxes to worry about "saving money via incoporatorn."
 

cabri

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$100-200 to incorporate yourself.

The problem is finding the income that will be paid to the corporation vs as an individual.
 

glenn1

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LOL I think I will go make my S chapter Corporation right now! Woohoo! :p

Good. As a corporations you won't be able to vote, can't receive welfare assistance or unemployment, the Fifth Amendment won't apply to you, any outlays to pay expenses for your children or family will be considered salaries, you don't enjoy the same privacy rights (so abortions are a no-go), and plenty of other perks will go away.
 

her209

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Good. As a corporations you won't be able to vote, can't receive welfare assistance or unemployment, the Fifth Amendment won't apply to you, any outlays to pay expenses for your children or family will be considered salaries, you don't enjoy the same privacy rights (so abortions are a no-go), and plenty of other perks will go away.

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Triumph

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I won't believe that corporations are people, until I see the State put a company to death via lethal injection. Or maybe firing squad.
 

her209

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As a corporation, I can renounce my citizenship and still get to stay in the country that I just renounced my citizenship from. Then whenever I wanted, I could get my citizenship back without having have to go through the naturalization process.

Score!
 

Spungo

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Indeed. Anyone doing anything should have an LLC. Anandtech should be an LLC at the very minimum. If someone posts some crazy stuff about how to make bombs, and it doesn't get deleted, the owner of this website could be sued. Who owns the website? Probably not a person, but an LLC. The LLC gets sued into bankruptcy, Anandtech no longer exists, but the guy who created Anandtech has minimal losses. The idea is that you shouldn't lose your personal assets when a business deal goes sour. The downside is that people are not held personally accountable when their company does illegal things. JP Morgan was found guilty of helping Bernie Madoff with his ponzi scheme. Nobody went to jail; the company paid a fine. A company like Walmart could have a corporate policy of murdering employees instead of firing them, and nobody would go to jail. The government should probably fix that.

I won't believe that corporations are people, until I see the State put a company to death via lethal injection. Or maybe firing squad.
HSBC was caught committing treason and nobody went to jail. I should form an LLC then stab people who piss me off.
 

nehalem256

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HSBC was caught committing treason and nobody went to jail. I should form an LLC then stab people who piss me off.

The Democratic Party routinely commits treason in order to pander to Hispanic voters and I don't see any of them going to jail either
 

nehalem256

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As a corporation, I can renounce my citizenship and still get to stay in the country that I just renounced my citizenship from. Then whenever I wanted, I could get my citizenship back without having have to go through the naturalization process.

Score!

So you are saying we don't deport illegal immigrant corporations either :whiste:
 

Spungo

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The Democratic Party routinely commits treason in order to pander to Hispanic voters and I don't see any of them going to jail either

If polled, hispanic voters would probably be against arming drug cartels.
 

Newell Steamer

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I doubt you could afford the incorporation fees. Heck, maybe we should require everyone to pay incorporation fees to enjoy their rights. And as if many Democrats even pay taxes to worry about "saving money via incoporatorn."

It is easy; the government will give me welfare subsidies to pay for those fees.

It is a win-win.

Conservatives are OK with corporate subsidies (I won't be labeled a leech) and I get to be treated like a human being corporation.
 

Newell Steamer

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If people were corporations, you can legally own another person. The South will rise again!

Slavery is required for my business to function and operate.

Just like little to no government involvement is required,.. unless said involvement is needed to acknowledge a corporation as person and said corporation is defended/protected as a human being.

What could possibly go wrong with such as mentality?

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nehalem256

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“Checked the tax code,” wrote a friend who’s engaged to a woman from a low-tax country. “Unfortunately, marrying [my fiancee] does not entitle me to a tax inversion like the big US companies are getting. Thanks for nothing IRS.”

Create a corporation in a low-tax country. Then marry the corporation and perform the inversion. Watch liberals heads explode.():)
 

zephyrprime

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Good. As a corporations you won't be able to vote, can't receive welfare assistance or unemployment, the Fifth Amendment won't apply to you, any outlays to pay expenses for your children or family will be considered salaries, you don't enjoy the same privacy rights (so abortions are a no-go), and plenty of other perks will go away.
If familial expenses were counted as salaries, that would be GREAT! That means that all those salaries would be tax free for me since they are expenses! And for the kids, they would be able to deduct their first $6,200 in income since that is the standard deduction. This is a valuable deduction that most kids do not even get to use currently.