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Corporate Tax Behavior So Bad Even Fortune Magazine Can’t Stomach It

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Fortune magazine is out with its list of “Top American corporate tax avoiders,” members of the S&P 500 that “sure seem American—except when it comes to paying taxes.”

These are companies that even a top cheerleader for the corporate class can’t bring itself to defend. What’s more, the list is accompanied by a blistering article by columnist Allan Sloan that makes the progressive case against corporate tax evasion as forcefully as anything Sens. Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren might say on the Senate floor.

There is “a new kind of American corporate exceptionalism,” he writes: “companies that have decided to desert our country to avoid paying taxes but expect to keep receiving the full array of benefits that being American confers, and that everyone else is paying for.”

Fortune includes on the list Eaton PLC, which produces a range of mechanical and electrical components, which has its U.S. headquarters in Cleveland but its “tax residence” in Ireland. Its CEO, Alexander Cutler, Fortune helpfully notes, “also happens to be a member of the Campaign to Fix the Debt, a nonpartisan organization that advocates cutting government spending and increasing tax revenue. He wants to close tax loopholes—but he sure isn’t proposing to return his corporation to full U.S. taxpaying status.”

The company that makes Trane air conditioners, Ingersoll Rand, is now domiciled for tax purposes in Ireland. So is “the world’s largest manufacturer of over-the-counter drugs,” Perrigo, which Fortune reports is suing the Food and Drug Administration “(for which the company doesn't pay its fair share) for allegedly not moving quickly enough to allow its testosterone gel to be sold without a prescription.”

There are a total of 28 companies on the list, including companies that have been “inverted”—they combined with a foreign-owned company so that they could declare their corporate tax home to be other than the United States—or they were originally incorporated outside the United States to begin with. And that’s just the corporations that are members of the S&P 500.

It’s all perfectly legal, Sloan writes, but “being legal isn’t the same as being right.” He cites a Joint Committee on Taxation report that says inversions alone will cost the U.S. Treasury—read “taxpayers”—$19.5 billion in lost tax revenue over the next ten years, “enough to cover what Uncle Sam spends on programs to help homeless veterans and to conduct research to create better prosthetic arms and legs for our wounded warriors.”

“Undermining the finances of the federal government by inverting helps undermine our economy,” Sloan writes. “And that’s a bad thing, in the long run, for companies that do business in America.”

What we should not do, he says, is offer corporations that shelter profits overseas another “tax holiday” of deeply discounted tax rates if they “repatriate” that money back to the U.S.

There are two more things that Sloan says about how to respond—and how not to respond. What we should not do, he says, is offer corporations that shelter profits overseas another “tax holiday” of deeply discounted tax rates if they “repatriate” that money back to the U.S. That would only “signal tax avoiders that they should keep sending tons of money offshore, then wait for a tax holiday,” he writes.

One thing we should do is push for passage of legislation introduced by Sen. Carl Levin and Rep. Sandy Levin (both Michigan Democrats) that would make it harder for American corporations to merge with foreign corporations in a way that enables them to operate as if they are American corporations while claiming to be foreign for tax purposes.

Ending corporate tax evasion and demanding that corporations pay their fair share of taxes has already become a core demand of the Populist Majority that crosses partisan lines. Now that a leading business magazine has joined in calling out some of the worst offenders, the ground on which lawmakers who coddle the corporate tax gamers stand has gotten just that much more politically toxic. The time is as ripe as ever to press for tax reform that ensures that the people and companies benefiting the most from what government provides pay their share of the cost.

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It's amazing how we all complain about the lady with the paid off mercedes benz whose family is jobless and trying to get food benefits to get by, and judge her, yet here we have these giant corporations taking billions in subsidies and corporate welfare, then doing all they can to hide their money from this country and not pay back into the country that helped their businesses grow.

Wow how our priorities are mixed up huh?
 
Or we could stop trying to tax American corporations for their profits generated in other countries. We tax Canadian corporations only on their profits in the U.S., not Canada, so why do we discriminate against U.S. companies by trying to tax their profits in Canada?
 
Is it possible to simply tariff all products sold in the use only on those countries in which US companies "reside in" for the sole purpose of evading taxes?

For example, it appears Ireland is one place these corporations are "moving" to. So why not impose a tariff on goods/services sold in the US by companies located in Ireland?

Do these tax havens exist in countries where a tariff would result in the other country counter tariffing US goods? Like china? I mean if these countries that are providing these tax havens don't or won't have a big impact on our exports, like china would, then why not make it not beneficial for US companies to "relocate" to a tax friendly country?
 
The Clinton's are taking US subsidies?

The corporations are engaging in perfectly legal maneuvers to decrease their taxes.

Liberals were perfectly fine with the Clinton's doing whatever they wanted to reduce their tax burden.

Why should a former president and former Senator/Secretary of State and possibly future President be held to a lower standard than corporations?
 
The corporations are engaging in perfectly legal maneuvers to decrease their taxes.

Liberals were perfectly fine with the Clinton's doing whatever they wanted to reduce their tax burden.

Why should a former president and former Senator/Secretary of State and possibly future President be held to a lower standard than corporations?

As usual you dodged the question and continue on with your usual garbage. I'd ask you to answer the question but it's pointless even talking to a fucking moron such as yourself. My only hope is that you will take the easy way out and we will no longer have to deal with your ass.
 
As usual you dodged the question and continue on with your usual garbage. I'd ask you to answer the question but it's pointless even talking to a fucking moron such as yourself. My only hope is that you will take the easy way out and we will no longer have to deal with your ass.

Actually your response was ducking the issue.

Clintons want to engage in perfectly legal methods of reducing their taxes totally awesome :thumbsup:

Corporations want to engage in perfectly legal methods of reducing their taxes and 😱

What do subsidies have to do with anything?
 
Actually your response was ducking the issue.

Clintons want to engage in perfectly legal methods of reducing their taxes totally awesome :thumbsup:

Corporations want to engage in perfectly legal methods of reducing their taxes and 😱

What do subsidies have to do with anything?

My tax money pays for those subsidies, that's the difference. Do you get it now? Or should I expect another horrible analogy from you or is this where you go off topic and start spewing your anti women bullshit?
 
It's amazing how we all complain about the lady with the paid off mercedes benz whose family is jobless and trying to get food benefits to get by, and judge her, yet here we have these giant corporations taking billions in subsidies and corporate welfare, then doing all they can to hide their money from this country and not pay back into the country that helped their businesses grow.

Wow how our priorities are mixed up huh?

The problem is neither of these are right.

The 1% and corporations have paid to have all these loopholes given to them and perpetuated.

It's a very sad state of affairs that uses those in the middle class that can pay to do so.
 
Or we could stop trying to tax American corporations for their profits generated in other countries. We tax Canadian corporations only on their profits in the U.S., not Canada, so why do we discriminate against U.S. companies by trying to tax their profits in Canada?

It's not just corporations that have to pay taxes on foreign income/profits. American citizens do as well.
 
My tax money pays for those subsidies, that's the difference. Do you get it now? Or should I expect another horrible analogy from you or is this where you go off topic and start spewing your anti women bullshit?

Maybe you should learn what subsidies are before you go around calling people fucking morons, especially the subsidies in this case if you think they cost you one red cent.
 
My tax money pays for those subsidies, that's the difference. Do you get it now? Or should I expect another horrible analogy from you or is this where you go off topic and start spewing your anti women bullshit?

Now lets think about this a moment.

A corporation pays $50m in taxes and receives $10m in subsidies. How much of YOUR money went to the corporation?

Also, where do you think the money comes to pay for the salary of the President, Secretary of State, or a US Senator?
 
It's not just corporations that have to pay taxes on foreign income/profits. American citizens do as well.

What's your point?

Let's say I form a partnership with a Canadian. We do 50% of our business in the U.S. and 50% in Canada. The U.S. taxes me on 100% of the profits (with a deduction for Canadian taxes paid), and taxes my partner on only 50%. That's stupid. Let Canada tax me on Canadian profits and the U.S. should tax me on U.S. profits.

Now let's say my Canadian partner thinks there is enough demand in Canada for our services that we should close up shop in the U.S. and focus there. I get permanent residency in Canada, sell my house, and move up there. The U.S. still taxes me on 100% of the profits, which are 100% in Canada, and my partner pays 0% in U.S. taxes. That's just stupid. Why is the U.S. so concerned with money earned outside the U.S.?

It's even worse when states get involved. That's why a bunch of athletes move to Florida. Live in Florida and they won't try to tax you on earnings from a golf tournament in California, but if you live in California they will try to tax you on earnings from a golf tournament in Florida.
 
Is it possible to simply tariff all products sold in the use only on those countries in which US companies "reside in" for the sole purpose of evading taxes?

For example, it appears Ireland is one place these corporations are "moving" to. So why not impose a tariff on goods/services sold in the US by companies located in Ireland?

Do these tax havens exist in countries where a tariff would result in the other country counter tariffing US goods? Like china? I mean if these countries that are providing these tax havens don't or won't have a big impact on our exports, like china would, then why not make it not beneficial for US companies to "relocate" to a tax friendly country?

I'm not an expert on this but essentially it would violate trade agreements and doing that has consequences.
 
Maybe you should learn what subsidies are before you go around calling people fucking morons, especially the subsidies in this case if you think they cost you one red cent.

Lol! Another anti government type telling me how government works. Fact: subsidies come in many forms, some direct, some indirect, some via money, some have nothing to do with money.

I'll stop calling people fucking morons when they stop acting like fucking morons, you included.
 
Now lets think about this a moment.

A corporation pays $50m in taxes and receives $10m in subsidies. How much of YOUR money went to the corporation?

Also, where do you think the money comes to pay for the salary of the President, Secretary of State, or a US Senator?

Lol! Stupid analogy it is!
 
Not going to read it all, but after granting corporations status as a person years back, now they have religious rights also.

How is this a surprise on the continued rape of the US ?
 
if the marginal corporate tax rate werent the 2nd highest in the "developed world" then maybe they wouldnt avoid taxes. 15% is more than enough.
 
I always laugh when I hear people say that the rich corporations pay the most in taxes. What they forget to add is that these rich corporations as well as rich people get the most tax advantages and the most tax loopholes too that allow them to skirt out of paying all of those taxes. So if you are to pay 35% in taxes you will have enough tax advantages and loopholes that will allow you to only pay about 10% of that.
 
I guess the loopholes aren't enough for these guys. Large corporations in the US pay a pretty small effective rate. Average effective rate of 12.6%. If true, make it a fixed 18% or so, remove the loopholes and scrap much of the code (credits, deductions, additions, etc) and call it a day.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/01/news/economy/corporate-tax-rate/index.html


I think you just proved what I was saying. I was just throwing out numbers to make an analogy. So in reading this article corporations and rich folks pay very little in taxes. 12% is not that much.

By the way have you seen what is happening in Kansas right now?

The Governor there gave huge tax cuts to the corporations and companies and now they are in a real pickle. http://online.wsj.com/articles/sam-brownbacks-tax-cut-push-puts-kansas-out-on-its-own-1402448126

Giving these Big Corporations huge tax cuts, and huge subsidies are effectively killing our US economy. Tax cuts are actually causing people to become poorer.
 
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