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Corolla XRS review

Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)
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that just seems like a no-brainer that toyota missed...

-Vivan
 
Originally posted by: vshah
Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)
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that just seems like a no-brainer that toyota missed...

-Vivan
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huh, i didn't notice that. Thats probably why it's still kind of slow.
 
Originally posted by: vshah
Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)
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that just seems like a no-brainer that toyota missed...

-Vivan
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Meh, just gotta learn to do this.

😀

(Now, if only the XRS sounded like that ............)
 
Originally posted by: The_good_guy
but being a toyota corolla, it will sell like hotcakes.
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I doubt it. I hardly even see Celica GT-S' out there. Face it, its still slow and its still a fuggin' Corolla!
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: vshah
Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)
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that just seems like a no-brainer that toyota missed...

-Vivan
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Meh, just gotta learn to do this.

😀

(Now, if only the XRS sounded like that ............)
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That guy sounded like he didn't know how to shift.
 
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: vshah
Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)
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that just seems like a no-brainer that toyota missed...

-Vivan
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huh, i didn't notice that. Thats probably why it's still kind of slow.
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Slow ??? They still tested 0-60 @ 7.1.....thats faster than the tC @ 7.4.
C&D have been known to have the lowest times.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: The_good_guy
but being a toyota corolla, it will sell like hotcakes.
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I doubt it. I hardly even see Celica GT-S' out there. Face it, its still slow and its still a fuggin' Corolla!
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wholeheartedly agree, there's not even many Matrix XRS.
face it, if you are buying a corolla, you probably are
1) a mother or secretary
2) "point a to point b" -er
3) not a ricer


bad move toyota
 
or

4) Student without parents buying everything 😛

I'm happy with my Corolla...it's at a (fairly) rice-free 15.9 1/4, so it's a little fun to drive.. =)
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
or

4) Student without parents buying everything 😛

I'm happy with my Corolla...it's at a (fairly) rice-free 15.9 1/4, so it's a little fun to drive.. =)
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that, you will be buying the previous 1999-2002 corolla and not the new one 🙂
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: CadetLee
or

4) Student without parents buying everything 😛

I'm happy with my Corolla...it's at a (fairly) rice-free 15.9 1/4, so it's a little fun to drive.. =)
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that, you will be buying the previous 1999-2002 corolla and not the new one 🙂
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I have a 1998 with over 147,000 miles on it..so yeah. =)
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: CadetLee
or

4) Student without parents buying everything 😛

I'm happy with my Corolla...it's at a (fairly) rice-free 15.9 1/4, so it's a little fun to drive.. =)
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that, you will be buying the previous 1999-2002 corolla and not the new one 🙂
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I have a 1998 with over 147,000 miles on it..so yeah. =)
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did I read 15.9 1/4? whao, that's quick!
anyways, any hardcore maintainance on your 147000 engine yet? (timing belt? clutch / torque-converter? CV boot?)
 
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: vshah
Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)
Click to expand...

that just seems like a no-brainer that toyota missed...

-Vivan
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Meh, just gotta learn to do this.

😀

(Now, if only the XRS sounded like that ............)
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That guy sounded like he didn't know how to shift.
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Didn't know how to shift??

Man, you've got it backwards. I wish I could double-clutch like that. Anybody that can do it that fast is quite skilled.

Although I realize it wouldn't help with the XRS' gearing conundrum, it still sounds cool to keep the revs up. 😉
 
Originally posted by: CTrain
Originally posted by: OS
huh, i didn't notice that. Thats probably why it's still kind of slow.
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Slow ??? They still tested 0-60 @ 7.1.....thats faster than the tC @ 7.4.
C&D have been known to have the lowest times.
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0-60 times are meaningless to me. Theres no way for owners/drivers to accurately measure this without expensive equipment.

A 15.8 corrected for a new, hotted up sporty car is slow. The TC is also slow.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: The_good_guy
but being a toyota corolla, it will sell like hotcakes.
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I doubt it. I hardly even see Celica GT-S' out there. Face it, its still slow and its still a fuggin' Corolla!
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Problem is this is the USofA.. ppl dont know how to drive stick.. if the GT-S was an auto it would have more sales.

Trust me on this.. we are the land of lazy... ppl dont know how to drive stick here.
 
Eli, he's not double-clutching his upshifts, he's just got balls of steel in that gorgeous Ferrari and is keeping his right foot firmly planted to the floor. That high-pitched note in-between shifts is where the engine bounces off the rev limiter.

And yeah, I can't believe that Toyota would build an engine with a top powerband so narrow that not even a 6 speed can keep you in it.
 
Toyota has given up on the performance market a long time ago, whether those with underpowered celicas, corolla Ss (half of whom think they drive a sports car), or sorry MR2s want to admit it or not.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Eli, he's not double-clutching his upshifts, he's just got balls of steel in that gorgeous Ferrari and is keeping his right foot firmly planted to the floor. That high-pitched note in-between shifts is where the engine bounces off the rev limiter.

And yeah, I can't believe that Toyota would build an engine with a top powerband so narrow that not even a 6 speed can keep you in it.
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Really? Oh. I was just going off what people were saying in the thread I originally saw the video in. 😛 Seemed reasonable.

How's he do that without making his transmission make all kinds of horrible noises? 😕 Just slam it home and let the synchros take care of the rest?
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Really? Oh. I was just going off what people were saying in the thread I originally saw the video in. 😛 Seemed reasonable.

How's he do that without making his transmission make all kinds of horrible noises? 😕 Just slam it home and let the synchros take care of the rest?
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Hence my "balls of steel" comment. Takes either a complete lack of brains and/or a big freakin' pair to hamfist a transmission that expensive.
 
The reason it doesn't stay in the higher revs is because that would kill EPA gas milage, and Toyota is bigger on having good milage cars than having sporty cars.
 
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