Corker/Ford Race 10-26-06 Possible Use of Tom Tom drums in Corker's latest Radio Add

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: ntdz
There's absolutely nothing racial about the commercial. In fact, I don't see anything wrong with the commercial. If I didn't know he was black beforehand, there is no way I'd know they were talking about a black guy.

Well if you didn't know that detail, a Republican radio ad made sure you did if you're in Tennessee.

The add talked about how Harold Ford is
"a member of the Black Caucus. an organization that seeks to promote the interests of blacks over whites."

Now for starters the whole charactorization of the Black Caucus is rather iffy and you could at best argue that some members of the Black Caucus act that way.

Secondly, every single Democrat that has ever run for the House as a Democrat was a member of that same Black Caucus. The only real reason to mention that was to make sure everyone voting is aware that Harold Ford is black and remind them of this fact one more time. The ad also included the fact it was the "all black black Caucus" just to make sure no-one could fail to be aware of what the ad was saying about Ford's racial background.

The Republican Party is race baiting.

 

[classy]

Man that was low, really low.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Slap

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre
I've lived in Memphis for 30 years. The Ford family is a bunch of crooks.

Are the sins of the father visited on the son or do you know personally that he is a crook too?

Well I have lived in Memphis for 31 years and some in the Ford family may have had problems, but Jr. has never been linked to any wrongdoing. For those that don't see the racism in the ad, in TN a white girl and black man still doesn't go over to well. Unfortunately, a large number of the votes against Ford will be simply because he is black.

Oh, that's not true at all. Memphis is a very diverse city, and I would bet the large number of votes against Ford, are not because he's black, but because he's a Ford.

How is one any better than the other? Do we put all Sicilians in jail or never vote for one?

I didn't say anything about putting him in jail.

Would you think it logical to vote for Jeb in '08?

I guess you have to live here to understand it. Memphis is run by a mob. Many people strongly believe our Mayor is the biggest crack dealer in Memphis. The jail is run by gangs. I've seen cops sitting at the bar at the popular strip club watching live sex shows, which occur frequently.

On one occassion, news broke that the police were called to one of our city politician's home for a domestic dispute, and found crack cocaine. The politican called the chief of police, who then spoke with the officers on the scene, and demanded they leave the home without any further searching (for crack). The official reason was because the chief did not want the officers to go into over-time hours.

Memphis needs new leadership, and electing another Ford into office isn't going to change a damn thing here.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about the R or the D next to their name, crooks come in all shapes, sizes, parties, and colors.

I would not vote for Jeb but I would vote for him over his brother and his father over either. I would not vote for him because he is a Republican with republican ideas not because he's a member of the Mafia. I don't like his politics. I would not let my dislike for the politics of his family influence my vote if he espoused a different opinion and ran as a socialist. I would vote for him. I don't have your history and don't make your connections. If I were to discover he was a crook I would change my opinion. That's why I asked you about him and not his family.

 

[Aegeon]

Joe Scarborough just expressed the opinion that the ad was a throwback aimed at exciting racial prejudices. For those who don't know, Joe Scarbourough was a House Republican Representative in the US Congress from 1994 until 2001.

If there was no racial intent behind the ad, it seems awfully odd that former Republican members of US Congress keep on thinking that there is such an intent behind the ad.

Its definately true that a common old way of scaring White citizenry in the South was talking about how the Blacks would go and steal thier women if they were not kept in their place.

 

[Harvey]

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[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: ntdz
There's absolutely nothing racial about the commercial. In fact, I don't see anything wrong with the commercial. If I didn't know he was black beforehand, there is no way I'd know they were talking about a black guy.

Well if you didn't know that detail, a Republican radio ad made sure you did if you're in Tennessee.

The add talked about how Harold Ford is
"a member of the Black Caucus. an organization that seeks to promote the interests of blacks over whites."

Now for starters the whole charactorization of the Black Caucus is rather iffy and you could at best argue that some members of the Black Caucus act that way.

Secondly, every single Democrat that has ever run for the House as a Democrat was a member of that same Black Caucus. The only real reason to mention that was to make sure everyone voting is aware that Harold Ford is black and remind them of this fact one more time. The ad also included the fact it was the "all black black Caucus" just to make sure no-one could fail to be aware of what the ad was saying about Ford's racial background.

The Republican Party is race baiting.

The Black Caucus is racism in its purest form, yet you call Republicans race baiting?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JD50
The Black Caucus is racism in its purest form, yet you call Republicans race baiting?

But the Caucus is Democrat, so it is OK.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JD50
The Black Caucus is racism in its purest form, yet you call Republicans race baiting?

When people like Joe Scarbourough have the same views on the TV ad, I feel rather safe in saying that. (And the radio ad was even more blatant.)

You can criticize aspects of the Black Caucus, but saying anyone within it is an inherently bad person or something like that is something else. Keep in mind that there are all sorts of caucuses within Congress, and any black Congressman that refused to join the Black Caucus would risk alienating black voters that worry he might be turning his back on them. Given the organization is made up of a fairly limited number of members, reform of the organization is possible for within. I don't think its the end of the world to have a group where Black Congressmen meet and discuss various issues. There have been Republican members of the Caucus before.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: JD50
The Black Caucus is racism in its purest form, yet you call Republicans race baiting?

When people like Joe Scarbourough have the same views on the TV ad, I feel rather safe in saying that. (And the radio ad was even more blatant.)

You can criticize aspects of the Black Caucus, but saying anyone within it is an inherently bad person or something like that is something else. Keep in mind that there are all sorts of caucuses within Congress, and any black Congressman that refused to join the Black Caucus would risk alienating black voters that worry he might be turning his back on them. Given the organization is made up of a fairly limited number of members, reform of the organization is possible for within. I don't think its the end of the world to have a group where Black Congressmen meet and discuss various issues. Its worth noting that there are plenty of Republicans in similar Congressional organizations including the Hispanic Caucus.

A Black caucus is wrong, and rascist, just like a white caucus would be wrong and rascist. I'd love to see the knee jerk reaction by all the libs on this board if someone started a Republican White Caucus.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JD50
A Black caucus is wrong, and rascist, just like a white caucus would be wrong and rascist. I'd love to see the knee jerk reaction by all the libs on this board if someone started a Republican White Caucus.

I think you're being fairly silly actually. You can complain about a double standard, but a purely White Caucus would practically be too big and unwieldy. As long as the group avoids excessively adversarial policies and simply tries to bring up concerns relevant to minority groups within America, I don't think there is much of a problem with it. Its not like being a member of such a Caucus suddenly gives anyone that much power, its just an organization where they can communicate and express their views together.

When Republicans try to use racism to win elections, that shows there remains a practical reason that some Congressmen feel there is a need to maintain a Black Caucus.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: JD50
A Black caucus is wrong, and rascist, just like a white caucus would be wrong and rascist. I'd love to see the knee jerk reaction by all the libs on this board if someone started a Republican White Caucus.

I think you're being fairly silly actually. You can complain about a double standard, but a purely White Caucus would practically be too big and unwieldy. As long as the group avoids excessively adversarial policies and simply tries to bring up concerns relevant to minority groups within America, I don't think there is much of a problem with it. Its not like being a member of such a Caucus suddenly gives anyone that much power, its just an organization where they can communicate and express their views together.

When Republicans try to use racism to win elections, that shows there remains a practical reason that some Congressmen feel there is a need to maintain a Black Caucus.

If you are referring to that ad as rascist then you are as looney as the others in here saying that, if not, then nvm.

You cannot deny that an organization that excludes someone because of their skin color is not rascist. You can make excuses for the black caucus all that you want, but its still rascism.

Do you think Dems don't use rascism to win elections? I remember Michael Steele getting oreo cookies thrown at him and being called an uncle tom because he is a black republican and he was running for Lt. Governor.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JD50
If you are referring to that ad as rascist then you are as looney as the others in here saying that, if not, then nvm.

Its extremely absurd to try to assert that ad is not racist, when still highly respected former Republicans such as Joe Scarbourough (who was asked to run for the Florida Senate seat this election but declined) say that they view the ad as racist. As noted earlier in this thread, former Republican Senator Cohen also viewed the ad as racist.

You may be just be clueless, but its disapointing that you are unwilling to see the racism inherent in the ad even after other people point it out to you.

 

[Zebo]

There's nothing racist about that ad and I think it's a shame people who vote based on color if it's true that many black people will only vote for him because he's black or that white won't vote for him being black.

The ad itself highlights very well and quickly his positions using actors as the "man on the street"

-gun grabber
-tax raiser
-immoral
-UN worshipper

A for orginalty, F for taste as I'm not really a fan of negative politics.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Zebo
There's nothing racist about that ad and I think it's a shame people who vote based on color if it's true that many black people will only vote for him because he's black or that white won't vote for him being black.

So why do repected former Republican Congressmen think it is then?

The ad is clearly directly preying on fears of misengenation between blacks and whites.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: JD50
If you are referring to that ad as rascist then you are as looney as the others in here saying that, if not, then nvm.

Its extremely absurd to try to assert that ad is not racist, when still highly respected former Republicans such as Joe Scarbourough (who was asked to run for the Florida Senate seat this election but declined) say that they view the ad as racist. As noted earlier in this thread, former Republican Senator Cohen also viewed the ad as racist.

You may be just be clueless, but its disapointing that you are unwilling to see the racism inherent in the ad even after other people point it out to you.

No, I'm not clueless, I am just capable of looking at something and coming up with my own conclusion. I don't need someone to tell me what to think of something. All I hear in these boards is how much the Republicans lie and how evil they are, yet here you are telling me that I should believe something is rascist because a couple of Republicans say it is rascist. Hey look, GWB said that there were WMDs in Iraq, it must be true right? That doesn't go with your agenda, so of course you won't believe that.

Maybe you should try watching the ad, taking off your partisan blinders, and coming up with a conclusion of your own, do you really need other people to tell you what to think about something.

Race was not mentioned once in that ad. All of you that see rascism in that are just ridiculous, you are so oversensitive that it isn't even funny. So a black woman in the ad had some tousled hair. You guys are really grasping at this whole rascism thing.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Zebo
There's nothing racist about that ad and I think it's a shame people who vote based on color if it's true that many black people will only vote for him because he's black or that white won't vote for him being black.

So why do repected former Republican Congressmen think it is then?

The ad is clearly directly preying on fears of misengenation between blacks and whites.

LOL, Rebublican Congressmen say it is so it must be true. This has got to be a first for P&N

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Zebo
There's nothing racist about that ad and I think it's a shame people who vote based on color if it's true that many black people will only vote for him because he's black or that white won't vote for him being black.

So why do repected former Republican Congressmen think it is then?

The ad is clearly directly preying on fears of misengenation between blacks and whites.

I'm not racist so I don't see it.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Zebo
There's nothing racist about that ad and I think it's a shame people who vote based on color if it's true that many black people will only vote for him because he's black or that white won't vote for him being black.

So why do repected former Republican Congressmen think it is then?

The ad is clearly directly preying on fears of misengenation between blacks and whites.

I'm not racist so I don't see it.

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winner!!

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JD50
Maybe you should try watching the ad, taking off your partisan blinders, and coming up with a conclusion of your own, do you really need other people to tell you what to think about something.

Race was not mentioned once in that ad. All of you that see rascism in that are just ridiculous, you are so oversensitive that it isn't even funny. So a black woman in the ad had some tousled hair. You guys are really grasping at this whole rascism thing.

You are refusing to get the point ALL. The major racism issue was that since you're letting Harold Ford JR out of his place, he's now going after White women. The assumption was the ad viewer knew Ford was black, and they were trying to appeal to racial prejudices still held in the area to a degree to swing the election a few crucial percentage points. There was no need to directly mention race verbally in the ad, it was more effective when left unspoken.

You need to see what is screaming at you in your face. Why are the Republicans agreeing the ad was racist if nothing of that sort existed in the ad? What you have is individuals genuinely disgusted at their own party for resorting to classic race baiting tactics.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm not racist so I don't see it.

That's still surprising and suggests you don't know much about the history of racism in the South. A Masters in American history obviously gives me more background, but you really should read a book on the subject at some point to educate yourself.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JD50
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winner!!

You mean ignorance about the history of racism in America allows racists to bring up the same messages designed to get a certain segment of the population to react without people elsewhere in the country realizing what is going on? Perhaps, although I don't know the background of everyone posting so its hard to say for sure.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon
The major racism issue was that since you're letting Harold Ford JR out of his place, he's now going after White women..

That is absurd. You really have to stretch to believe that.

Like I said, I could care less what a couple of Republican politicians are saying about the ad, I don't need other people telling me what to think about something. The only reason you are agreeing with what the Republican Congressmen are saying about this is because it fits your agenda. So if just one Democrat says that this ad is not rascist then you will completely change your mind on the whole thing?

Where was your outrage when Michael Steele was getting oreo cookies thrown at him, how about when he was called an uncle tom?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: JD50
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winner!!

You mean ignorance about the history of racism in America allows racists to bring up the same messages designed to get a certain segment of the population to react without people elsewhere in the country realizing what is going on? Perhaps, although I don't know the background of everyone posting so its hard to say for sure.

No, I mean most people aren't overly sensitive to the race issue and don't over analyze every little thing said by a Republican just to get the chance to play the race card. If someone sees rascism from that ad, then they were rascist from the start and would't have voted for a black person anyways. We are going to have to agree to disagree, because I see absolutely nothing rascist in that ad, no matter what someone tells me, republican or democrat.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JD50
That is absurd. You really have to stretch to believe that.

Like I said, I could care less what a couple of Republican politicians are saying about the ad, I don't need other people telling me what to think about something. The only reason you are agreeing with what the Republican Congressmen are saying about this is because it fits your agenda. So if just one Democrat says that this ad is not rascist then you will completely change your mind on the whole thing?

Where was your outrage when Michael Steele was getting oreo cookies thrown at him, how about when he was called an uncle tom?

Its very obviously the case, and you have to be clueless not to understand this. The reality is until the US Civil Rights movement got going, blacks were literally lynched if they whistled at a white woman in the South, and some of those same people who did this sort of thing are still living.

I'm pointing out what the Republicans are saying because clearly they have no reason to say this other than genuinely believing it.

The very obvious distinction is Michael Steele was not having oreo cookies thrown at him by top officials on the Democratic National Committee, while the ad in question was presumably approved by top officials in the Republican National Commitee, which was the organization which paid for the ad. (I wouldn't suggest that if a KKK group showed up to protest Ford at a rally that such as action Represented the Republican Party as a whole.) I don't like the term Uncle Tom and how it seems to get thrown out so often, although I think its legitimate for people to argue that a black candidate no longer represents the interests of African-Americans as long as he can specifically justify why.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm not racist so I don't see it.

That's still surprising and suggests you don't know much about the history of racism in the South. A Masters in American history obviously gives me more background, but you really should read a book on the subject at some point to educate yourself.

All it tells me is you have a problem with the insinuation of Mr. Ford Shacking up with a white woman by even noticeing it in the add. I could care less. I watched the ad and it did'nt even occur to me until I read comments in thread to this effect. What I thought the ad conveyed was he's a player and proabaly should'nt be a senator, sets a bad example. Would you be happy if they used an indian/chinese or even african amercan model?