Core voltage and Power limit

Rikard

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I have a problem getting the core voltage I want at both idle and load state. The card in question is the Sapphire Vapor-X HD7950 equipped with two 8 pins contacts. It has a second overclocking bios that can be activated by pushing in a button, and this is what I am using.

What I want
I want the voltage to be low (0.8 V) when idle and at a magnitude of my choice during load (say 1.2 V).

Default settings
With Power limit 0% and not touching the core voltage I have an idle voltage of 0.806 V giving me a total power consumption of my system of about 75 W at a core clock of 300 MHz. Under load it runs at 950 MHz at a voltage of 1.087 V.

Mild OC - Trixx
If I set the core clock to 1100 MHz without touching anything else the card "throttles" and jumps between this target and a lower frequency. So Power limit to the resque: just moving the slider to +20% in Trixx I get a steady 1100 MHz and a steady voltage of 1.087 V. No problem there.

Mild OC + changed voltage - Trixx
This is where it gets complicated. If I change the core voltage to say 1.1 V, nothing happens if I have Power limit (PL) +20%. However, if I lower the power limit the core voltage starts jumping between the set voltage (which is higher than the max voltage at PL=+20%) and a lower value synchronized with the jumps in frequency. The lower I set PL the lower the low voltage is, so at PL = -20% I get huge jumps in voltage.

Locked voltage - Trixx
I tried locking the voltage to avoid these jumps during load. This works, but it has the downside that the voltage does not go down when the GPU is idle. At the default load voltage of 1.087 V the difference vs default idle 0.806 V is about 35 W, and if I increase the voltage further this meaningless waste of energy will just grow. Hence I think locked voltage is a no go.

MSI Afterburner
Changing core voltage in MSI Afterburner has no effect whatsoever unless I force constant voltage, which of course I do not want to do.

I know this must be possible, but the strange interplay between VDCC and Power limit messes it up for me.
 

raghu78

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keep power limit at +20% to avoid clock throttling and random fluctuations. these chips can easily run at 1150 - 1200 mhz with a slight voltage increase as long as they are not power constrained. try 1.1v and 1150 mhz and then if need be add extra voltage.
 

BallaTheFeared

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lolwut?

Anyways, I gave up trying to overclock with ULPS.

I just use a profile for 800mv 480 core, and 625 memory, it's not as good as ULPS, but it allows me to overclock with voltage control in MSI AB using locked voltage.
 

Rikard

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Hey, I found the issue with the strange interplay between the core voltage and the power limit. I started suspecting it was a bios issue, so I flipped the switch on the card to default bios (standard clocks etc) and then the voltage moves as I want during load and idle. Initial reviews of this card had statements such as "but I do not know why anyone would NOT push this button to automatically overclock" etc. Well, now I know why...

I just use a profile for 800mv 480 core, and 625 memory, it's not as good as ULPS, but it allows me to overclock with voltage control in MSI AB using locked voltage.
Ah, yes interesting idea. That should work, but you need AB running at all times I guess.
 
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lolwut?

Anyways, I gave up trying to overclock with ULPS.

I just use a profile for 800mv 480 core, and 625 memory, it's not as good as ULPS, but it allows me to overclock with voltage control in MSI AB using locked voltage.

How did you up the idle clocks? Im getting random flickering and I've read that was the cause. Please be specific as possible if you could be so kind?
 

BallaTheFeared

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I didn't, I disabled idle down clocking and created the lowest clock/volt profile I could instead.

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The overclocking software is a real PETA compared to non boost gens, MSI AB doesn't even control the voltage on my card unless I use fixed.

Weird flickering can be caused by unofficial overclocking in older AB versions I believe.
 
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I didn't, I disabled idle down clocking and created the lowest clock/volt profile I could instead.

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The overclocking software is a real PETA compared to non boost gens, MSI AB doesn't even control the voltage on my card unless I use fixed.

Weird flickering can be caused by unofficial overclocking in older AB versions I believe.

What is unofficial overclocking? Is there a setting in afterburner to disable idle down clocking? So I assume when you game you load up another profile for your gaming?
 

BallaTheFeared

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Yes, I have profiles from 960MHz to 1200MHz depending on the game and if I'm using 1440 downsampling or not.
 

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Here is a question for you guys...I am currently at 1140/1300, but I would like to know how to adjust memory voltage. Doesn't seem to be an option in the modded sapphire trixx. How do I get it? Also, what is safe settings generally for memory Voltage and memory clocks?

I have the sapphire dual X OC with the single DP output, not the dual mini DPs.
 

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General consensus seems to be don't overvoltage your memory since it significantly reduces it's lifespan. For benchmarking it's not much of a problem, but 24/7 usage is a no no.
 

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Here is a question for you guys...I am currently at 1140/1300, but I would like to know how to adjust memory voltage. Doesn't seem to be an option in the modded sapphire trixx. How do I get it? Also, what is safe settings generally for memory Voltage and memory clocks?

I have the sapphire dual X OC with the single DP output, not the dual mini DPs.

Are you using this one? (Sapphire Trixx 4.4.0b-MOD)



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Shmee

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yes, that's the one I got. I read on the overclock.net forums that there may be an issue with boost cards. IDK, it did not have the MVDDC option
 

BallaTheFeared

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I figured I'd toss this up as an extension to what I was doing already.

I'm sure most people are aware of this, but as my old cards weren't boost and overclocking them wasn't PETA I never had need/thought to use it in this way...

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MSI AB of course has profiles, but they also offer hotkeys for them... Now that isn't really a huge deal (unless you want dynamically change clocks to provide more power/less as areas dictate I guess), but they also offer the automatic profile management.

Which basically allows me to automatically shift from me lowest power settings in profile 1 when in 2D/desktop, and then have it switch for me on the fly without having to do anything when I load up a 3D app.

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Just ignore this and don't hate on me if this was well known/used I just discovered it and found it works very well for me because of the way boost overclocking is so messed up.
 

Rikard

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I figured I'd toss this up as an extension to what I was doing already.

I'm sure most people are aware of this, but as my old cards weren't boost and overclocking them wasn't PETA I never had need/thought to use it in this way...

cm-40059-050d107cc2019e.png


MSI AB of course has profiles, but they also offer hotkeys for them... Now that isn't really a huge deal (unless you want dynamically change clocks to provide more power/less as areas dictate I guess), but they also offer the automatic profile management.

Which basically allows me to automatically shift from me lowest power settings in profile 1 when in 2D/desktop, and then have it switch for me on the fly without having to do anything when I load up a 3D app.

8568489356_972b97edf7.jpg



Just ignore this and don't hate on me if this was well known/used I just discovered it and found it works very well for me because of the way boost overclocking is so messed up.

I actually was using that in the beginning. Nowadays I am setting up Overdrive in profiles in RadeonPro. The difference is that I can selectively overclock different games and applications. I mean, I do not really need to run at 1230 MHz in TF2, do I? The disadvantage is that I have not found a way to automatically OC beyond 1100 MHz with RadeonPro+Overdrive, so in those cases I must load a profile in Trixx or MSI AB.