Core i5/i7 on 1156

[phillyman36]

I have a question with the upcoming 1156 cpus. I know the pci is on die. My question is does this just effect video card performance or will it effect things like media encoding, video editing and app usage? I know you all say the latency is reduced but what is effected? (only using 1 video card)

 

[cusideabelincoln]

3D video performance should be improved, although I'm going to guess that the differences will be minor compared to LGA 1366.

 

[phillyman36]

What about tasks such as video editing/encoding? Will the 1156 on die pci improve that in any way or is it just gaming performance?

 

[Zensal]

The best answer anyone can give right now is maybe. You'll have to wait and see like the rest of us.

 

[n7]

I don't think it's going to affect things hugely.

I do think i5 is going to make i7 seem like a useless waste of money for pretty much everyone other than CF/SLi/hardcore enthusiasts though.

I'm rather hoping that too, as i very much dislike them separating platforms :frown:

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Wouldn't the HT make it a better option for editing things like AVCHD?

please tell me yes cause i just picked up a D0 4hrs ago at a local mirco-center for that killer 199$ deal

The machine is basically going to be:

Video editing and encoding with Premiere Pro CS4

then UT3

 

[n7]

Lynnfield will have HT on likely all but the lower end chips.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3570&p=3

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I don't see the PCI-E latency affecting video editing/encoding very much, but like the other user just said: Maybe. We only have "best guesses" right now, and my best guess is that the performance difference won't be huge. I'd say at best, we'd see the type of performance difference a person would normally see when utilizing different speeds and latencies of RAM. Usually this amounts to less than 5%.

 

[Axon]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Wouldn't the HT make it a better option for editing things like AVCHD?

please tell me yes cause i just picked up a D0 4hrs ago at a local mirco-center for that killer 199$ deal

The machine is basically going to be:

Video editing and encoding with Premiere Pro CS4

then UT3

I did the same - too good a chip to pass up at that price point. There is a reason nothing of its like is on Intel's current roadmap.

I suspect that an OCed i7 920 will do the job as well or better than the $289 i5. Time will tell, of course...as will the i5's OCing potential. Nonetheless, even with a cheaper Mobo, I recognized I wouldn't be saving all that much money by paying for the $289 i5 as opposed to the $199 i7.

My only fear is that the LGA 1156 will become the mainstream while the 1366 will become home to the $800+ "XTERME" cpu.

Thanks for your previous advice about OCing my E8500, btw. You may not recall that discussion, but I went from OCing puss to significantly more confident

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: Axon

I suspect that an OCed i7 920 will do the job as well or better than the $289 i5. Time will tell, of course...as will the i5's OCing potential. Nonetheless, even with a cheaper Mobo, I recognized I wouldn't be saving all that much money by paying for the $289 i5 as opposed to the $199 i7.

Of course the i7 will be better than i5. It'll have HT on i7 but not on i5.

But seriously, Lynnfields are also called i7.

 

[n7]

Okay, so you are saying the Lynnfields with HT are i7s but for s1156?

Because that's awfully confusing, thanx Intel.

What's the latest on Lynnfield anyway?

Last i read up was the AT article where anand said there's three s1156, the top two with HT.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: n7
Okay, so you are saying the Lynnfields with HT are i7s but for s1156?

Because that's awfully confusing, thanx Intel.

What's the latest on Lynnfield anyway?

Last i read up was the AT article where anand said there's three s1156, the top two with HT.

Yea. The Hyperthreading enabled versions of Lynnfield will be ALL called Core i7, but on a 8xx moniker rather than 9xx with Bloomfield.

Intel is going to phase out i7 950 and introduce i7 960, since the top end Lynnfield, the i7 870 will only be 2-3% slower from the higher clocked i7 950(2.93 vs. 3.06GHz).

 

[taltamir]

yea n7, intel's new naming scheme is all over the place... it gets even more confusing on the laptops... and they plan to introduce a chip with built in GPU that will also carry the i5 and i7 monkiers.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: taltamir
yea n7, intel's new naming scheme is all over the place... it gets even more confusing on the laptops... and they plan to introduce a chip with built in GPU that will also carry the i5 and i7 monkiers.

It's not that hard to understand. It's not like you are stuck with the iGPU on the Arrandale either. Arrandale doesn't look to be having "regular" voltage 35W versions as they don't have anything higher than "25W" equivalent. Having lower power is a PREMIUM feature.

Look at it this way. You have the EXACT same performing CPU, but one is LOWER power than other. Would you market that at the same price? It would be kind of redundant. It's different on desktops where power isn't that much of a premium.

 

[Axon]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Of course the i7 will be better than i5. It'll have HT on i7 but not on i5.

But seriously, Lynnfields are also called i7.

Well, I only made that comment because hints have been dropped that the $289 i5 will be able to beat out the i7 920.

Also, what is the price point of the i7 870 if we know? And that's going to be an 1156 chip, or unknown?

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: Axon

Well, I only made that comment because hints have been dropped that the $289 i5 will be able to beat out the i7 920.

Also, what is the price point of the i7 870 if we know? And that's going to be an 1156 chip, or unknown?

Three Lynnfields.

i7 870 2.93GHz
i7 860 2.8GHz
i5 750 2.66GHz

The i5 does not feature HT. They are all LGA1156.

The pricing of the 2.8GHz 860 will be identical to the 2.66GHz i7 920.

As I said...

"Intel is going to phase out i7 950 and introduce i7 960, since the top end Lynnfield, the i7 870 will only be 2-3% slower from the higher clocked i7 950(2.93 vs. 3.06GHz)."

Yea... the 2.8GHz i7 860 will definitely beat the 2.66GHz 920. Which is why Intel is phasing out most of the Bloomfields like 920/940/950.

Here's the test for i5 750 ES, both HT on and HT off test: http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/417/417575_12.shtml

Turbo mode off for same clock comparison/PCI Express only works at x8 for P55 because of immature platform which hampers gaming performance.

Add that to a higher working Turbo Mode and we'll see the i7 860 competing not only against i7 920 but the i7 940.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I'm looking at the future roadmap with the 1366lga socket. I vaguely remember seeing a 6 core 1366 socket chip. My interest are with AVCHD editing & encoding.

Is the 1366 socket both a server & (high end desktop) socket? If so that would make me more comfortable with the D0 920 I just bought.

 

[Cookie Monster]

For gamers, i5 looks to be a better choice given all the options. HT/SMT doesn't seem to benefit in gaming too much.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
For gamers, i5 looks to be a better choice given all the options. HT/SMT doesn't seem to benefit in gaming too much.

4039 posts lol

lol look its now 4040

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
For gamers, i5 looks to be a better choice given all the options. HT/SMT doesn't seem to benefit in gaming too much.

4039 posts lol

lol look its now 4040

Haha nice catch. We joined at the same year too. Long lost brothers? or just a stalker?

Guess im one post ahead now.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
For gamers, i5 looks to be a better choice given all the options. HT/SMT doesn't seem to benefit in gaming too much.

4039 posts lol

lol look its now 4040

Haha nice catch. We joined at the same year too. Long lost brothers? or just a stalker?

Guess im one post ahead now.

 

[james 1]

According to hexus the i5 could be arriving about September 6th, they got a nice table that sums up the upcoming chips and possible pricing (wholesale).

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19359

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: Axon

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Wouldn't the HT make it a better option for editing things like AVCHD?

please tell me yes cause i just picked up a D0 4hrs ago at a local mirco-center for that killer 199$ deal

The machine is basically going to be:

Video editing and encoding with Premiere Pro CS4

then UT3

I did the same - too good a chip to pass up at that price point. There is a reason nothing of its like is on Intel's current roadmap.

I suspect that an OCed i7 920 will do the job as well or better than the $289 i5. Time will tell, of course...as will the i5's OCing potential. Nonetheless, even with a cheaper Mobo, I recognized I wouldn't be saving all that much money by paying for the $289 i5 as opposed to the $199 i7.

My only fear is that the LGA 1156 will become the mainstream while the 1366 will become home to the $800+ "XTERME" cpu.

Thanks for your previous advice about OCing my E8500, btw. You may not recall that discussion, but I went from OCing puss to significantly more confident

That's good to hear

 

[IntelUser2000]

There's no $289 i5.

 

[Axon]

It's $284.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...ts/showdoc.aspx?i=3574

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