Corbyn I about to win me over.

[cytg111]

Because NHS covers them as well and they had the chance to leave but voted against it?

I don't see a united planet in the future since practically every nation on earth is against such an idea.

We'll be around until the retarded people who think that politicians and religious leaders know better than scientists of the world doom us all.

Europe could unite just fine without the US who we can trust about as much as Greenland to defend Europe from Russia. In reality I don't think the US would do jack shit if Russia invaded European nations, nothing has been done thus far and when UK sovereign territory was invaded the US didn't want any part of that either.

Because at the time you were part of the EU, you know this, Scotland is probably going to leave you now.
Without a united planet, this little experiment, "earth", is going to be a blip in the grand scale of the cosmos. You may not have ambitions for the human race but I do.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Because at the time you were part of the EU, you know this, Scotland is problary going to leave you now.
Without a united planet, this little experiment, "earth", is going to be a blip in the grand scale of the cosmos. You may not have ambitions for the human race but I do.

I hope they do, I'll b moving to Glasgow if they do.

If you think NATO is the solution when it encompasses only some nations doing US bidding then I don't know what to tell you.

The UN could have been the solution but the US doesn't like that because they don't have the power to force the UN to do their bidding and enrich their nation through blackmail.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The answer is an obvious one but it still makes the situation much riskier for the US and Western Europe (hell the entire globe really).

Not really, Putin is not going to declare war on NATO. He likes to stir his shit behind the curtain.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Not really, Putin is not going to declare war on NATO. He likes to stir his shit behind the curtain.

And everyone knows that NATO doesn't mean shit anyway. Invading the sovereign territory of a NATO nation isn't a problem unless it's US territory.

We saw how that worked with the Falklands.

 

[cytg111]

I hope they do, I'll b moving to Glasgow if they do.

If you think NATO is the solution when it encompasses only some nations doing US bidding then I don't know what to tell you.

The UN could have been the solution but the US doesn't like that because they don't have the power to force the UN to do their bidding and enrich their nation through blackmail.

As this dialog progresses you are coming out more and more anti US. Is this what it is really about? You dont like America?

 

[J.Wilkins]

As this dialog progresses you are coming out more and more anti US. Is this what it is really about? You dont like America?

It always comes down to this, doesn't it?

Don't like Trump? Anti-American traitor! Either you agree with everything the US does or you hate it....

No, I don't like the US foreign policy which serves to fuck over anyone and everyone for US interests and I don't think we should send our soldiers to die for that cause.

No I don't like that the US involved us in Afghanistan and saw it as a needed operation or that they basically blackmail us into deals that are not good for us but good for them to ensure our reliance on US tech. I don't like that the US decided that the invasion of our sovereign territory was not a NATO matter either.

Quite frankly I'm tired of the UK being the US's little bitch.

 

[cytg111]

Don't like Trump? Anti-American traitor! Either you agree with everything the US does or you hate it....

That is hyperbole and opportunistic as f*. Noone sane beyond white lives matter bitches likes Trump, that is one sad card to play. Dude. America had the upper hand after WW2 and that is the cards we have been delt, the cards we are playing now. Dont like the cards, think you can quit, have a hissy fit? Go ahead, hopefully the adults will be taking over... Be one of those that tears down instead of building up. It is SO fcking easy to *i dont like it, imma gonna smash it*. Great things was not build on this mentality.
Get a perspective on Afghanistan man, it is JACK SHIT in terms of engagements, peanuts, you loose a factor of 1000 more people to diesel emissions than to afghanistan and iraq PLUS the fact that your forces are currently up to date and battle proven(this is a big factor).
And then there is the fact that if we dont unite the planet it is gonna kill us off. All of us. You too. Your children.

 

[justoh]

Because at the time you were part of the EU, you know this, Scotland is problary going to leave you now.
Without a united planet, this little experiment, "earth", is going to be a blip in the grand scale of the cosmos. You may not have ambitions for the human race but I do.

I hate to break it to you, but the earth was, is and always will be/will have been utterly insignificant, whose ape descendant lifeforms are/were so amazingly primitive that some thought Scotland would ever leave the UK (and that the EU was ever a good idea).

 

[cytg111]

I hate to break it to you, but the earth was, is and always will be/will have been utterly insignificant, whose ape descendant lifeforms are/were so amazingly primitive that some thought Scotland would ever leave the UK (and that the EU was ever a good idea).

Point being if it is not the EU that comes knocking on your door it will be something else.

 

[pmv]

The trouble is, the more I look at the US, the more I notice the downsides of trans-national integration and nations being larger rather than smaller.

The gun-control argument, for example. You have people for whom gun ownership is a critical part of their self-image and cultural identity attempting to share a mostly-internallly-borderless country with people for whom the presence of guns is entirely destructive. Much as I find myself arguing on the pro-gun-control side, despite myself, its not hard to see that there are two sides to it.

Or there's the peculiar US voting system, which has to throw out one-person-one-vote in order to hold the country together. The whole system ends up introducing a conservative bias, because that was necessary to maintain a union. The EU is full of very similar absurdities.

I know lots of people who see something like the EU as an idealistic and intrinsically 'good' idea - internationalism, the doing away with national divisions, what could be wrong with that? But there's always a downside.

Coming together always happens on one group's terms, and will also increase conflict by forcing people in different situations, with different histories, and with differing identities to all abide by the same set of rules (usually ones chosen to suit the most powerful party). It's not an unalloyed good, regardless of context.

The same thing applies to Scotland within the UK, which is why it continues to be a live issue (and I tend to think Scottish independence is far more-likely-than-not in the long run, though I don't agree it's a serious prospect right now).

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Again with the strawman and diversions.

Rather than arguing against what I've said you make shit up, proclaim that that is what I said, and argue against that instead.

It's quite pathetic and it's why there is no point in continuing a discussion with your dumb arse.

Ok, sure. Whatever.
Just wanted to say I have not insulted your intelligence or called you names at any point. You on the other hand are a total dick and clearly just want your ill-informed opinions confirmed.
Feeling is mutal. This is utterly pointless I'm blocking your post. G day

 

[J.Wilkins]

Ok, sure. Whatever.
Just wanted to say I have not insulted your intelligence or called you names at any point. You on the other hand are a total dick and clearly just want your ill-informed opinions confirmed.
Feeling is mutal. This is utterly pointless I'm blocking your post. G day

KId, your existence in and of itself is an insult to all of human intelligence, not just me.

And yes, I don't deal in pretty little fantasies and I'm harsh when it comes to presenting reality as is. I'm not trained to be a cutesy little fuck that cuddles the retards.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Point being if it is not the EU that comes knocking on your door it will be something else.

No, your point was that you are an idiot who thought that since the UK was a member of the EU which is NOT a military alliance we should not have expected NATO help when our sovereign territory was invaded.

There is no other way to interpret what you said.

And as a dishonest fuck you couldn't even respond to my post without cherrypicking either, let's just end the discussion here. You are unwilling to have an actual discussion and only willing to go "oh well you hate America which is the greatest nation on earth completely without flaws ever" which is what it ALWAYS comes down to when it comes to Americans.

Everyone is sick and tired of the retarded nation that wants war in every fucking corner of the world and us to step up to go first EVERY fucking time, you've overplayed your hand and sure, you can have you and the Baltic states to wring money from to buy your shit in place of better and cheaper hardware that isn't limited because you won't even give up the software components that are needed to service the planes.

Just make them aware that if they get invaded, you won't do jack shit for them because everyone knows you won't.

 

[cytg111]

No, your point was that you are an idiot who thought that since the UK was a member of the EU which is NOT a military alliance we should not have expected NATO help when our sovereign territory was invaded.

There is no other way to interpret what you said.

And as a dishonest fuck you couldn't even respond to my post without cherrypicking either, let's just end the discussion here. You are unwilling to have an actual discussion and only willing to go "oh well you hate America which is the greatest nation on earth completely without flaws ever" which is what it ALWAYS comes down to when it comes to Americans.

Everyone is sick and tired of the retarded nation that wants war in every fucking corner of the world and us to step up to go first EVERY fucking time, you've overplayed your hand and sure, you can have you and the Baltic states to wring money from to buy your shit in place of better and cheaper hardware that isn't limited because you won't even give up the software components that are needed to service the planes.

Just make them aware that if they get invaded, you won't do jack shit for them because everyone knows you won't.

I love you bro. Peace.
1st I have no concept of what you just assigned to me, I might be an idiot but not over that.
2nd I am not an american, i am an european and I shed tears for you when you brexited bro.
3rd you are way too emotional on this issue to have any logical sane debate on it, so on that point we agree, lets leave it at that.

edit : you may be correct on US policy on many accounts, my thinking on this is pretty simple, we are the same DNA, 100% the same as DNA... which means that this story is going to repeat repeat and repeat if you inisist on pressing the reset button everytime you feel a little pissed off. What you do is you reform from within, you dont tear it all down cause it happens to be sharkweek.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I love you bro. Peace.
1st I have no concept of what you just assigned to me, I might be an idiot but not over that.
2nd I am not an american, i am an european and I shed tears for you when you brexited bro.
3rd you are way too emotional on this issue to have any logical sane debate on it, so on that point we agree, lets leave it at that.

1. Read through our exchange, there is no other way to interpret what you said. I tried REALLY hard to interpret it in any other way but I can't.
2. Your nationality is irrelevant to me, I'd fight as hard for a Frenchman as I would for a Brit and I Brexited nothing. If and when it happens I will not be a part of it, both of my children are going to live in Ottawa next year and I might be getting a really cushy job in Vancouver which is my wife's home town. At least Canada isn't US's NATO bitch like the UK has been.
3. No, I'm not emotional in the least, I am expressing facts and while using a language you may not be used to it takes nothing away from the facts. Your interpretation of despair is a bit correct though. England is nothing but the US's bitch and it breaks my heart.

I'm just waiting for your sovereign land to get invaded and the US saying "fuck you" in response, I wonder if you'd be emotional about that? If so, clearly you should be dismissed.

 

[cytg111]

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So, reading up on the falklands, is it true that Thatcher refused NATO help and that also the falklands is exempt from the NATO treaty to begin with?

 

[justoh]

edit : you may be correct on US policy on many accounts, my thinking on this is pretty simple, we are the same DNA, 100% the same as DNA..

Clearly you haven't seen the latest episode of South Park. Why would your DNA be identical?

 

[cytg111]

Clearly you haven't seen the latest episode of South Park. Why would your DNA be identical?

I think it is an important excersise, even mandatory, to put oneself in the shoes of all kinds of people, from a human rights activist to the guard tower of a nazi concentration camp. We are all capable of all of it. Take responsibility for all mankind and think like one, not individuals but as one. We are all the same DNA.

 

[pmv]

So, reading up on the falklands, is it true that Thatcher refused NATO help and that also the falklands is exempt from the NATO treaty to begin with?

Well NATO was only supposed to apply to Europe and the Northern Americas, no? That was specifically it's domain of operations - the North Atlantic.

But since then it's been used well outside that area (e.g. Afghanistan), so who knows what the rules are?

Also, it was always justified as a defensive alliance against the Warsaw Pact, which logically would have implied it would have been wound up after the demise of said Warsaw Pact.

 

[justoh]

I think it is an important excersise, even mandatory, to put oneself in the shoes of all kinds of people, from a human rights activist to the guard tower of a nazi concentration camp. We are all capable of all of it. Take responsibility for all mankind and think like one, not individuals but as one. We are all the same DNA.

Isn't that from an eminem song? Your positivity in the face of the rabid Englishman is remarkable. Still confused about the DNA comments. How would forensics work? I think we're all essentially the same, though not identical.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

KId, your existence in and of itself is an insult to all of human intelligence, not just me.

And yes, I don't deal in pretty little fantasies and I'm harsh when it comes to presenting reality as is. I'm not trained to be a cutesy little fuck that cuddles the retards.

hah. No you're not some crusader of reality. You're just an insufferable asshole dealing in childish simplicity with little knowledge of the complex wold of adults, compromise and not always getting everything you want. So take your brexit, elect corbyn, leave NATO, dismantle your nukes and sit there in the isolated shithole remains of your collapsed empire while your old hag queen crow on in vain about how great britain once was.

 

[Fern]

And everyone knows that NATO doesn't mean shit anyway. Invading the sovereign territory of a NATO nation isn't a problem unless it's US territory.

We saw how that worked with the Falklands.

It took me less than 30 seconds of googling to find out that the Falkland islands are not covered under NATO.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.GLhgX0EXBj4

And Ronnie did back Maggie.

Fern

 

[J.Wilkins]

It took me less than 30 seconds of googling to find out that the Falkland islands are not covered under NATO.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.GLhgX0EXBj4

And Ronnie did back Maggie.

Fern

UK sovereign territory is not covered under NATO?

You go ahead and read that properly and then read the NATO agreement and explain why the UK was first on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq under NATO flag even though neither of those invasions could POSSIBLY in any SHAPE OR FORM be construed to be NATO missions.

We jump when the US says JUMP no matter what the NATO policies are and accept it as going under NATO flag but when our sovereign territory is invaded you cry and whine about how it's not covered and you don't have to participate...

If THAT isn't a convincing argument for us to leave NATO then I don't know what is.

 

[cytg111]

UK sovereign territory is not covered under NATO?

You go ahead and read that properly and then read the NATO agreement and explain why the UK was first on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq under NATO flag even though neither of those invasions could POSSIBLY in any SHAPE OR FORM be construed to be NATO missions.

We jump when the US says JUMP no matter what the NATO policies are and accept it as going under NATO flag but when our sovereign territory is invaded you cry and whine about how it's not covered and you don't have to participate...

If THAT isn't a convincing argument for us to leave NATO then I don't know what is.

Putin could not play your hand better if he played it himself. Good job.

 

[cytg111]

Isn't that from an eminem song? Your positivity in the face of the rabid Englishman is remarkable. Still confused about the DNA comments. How would forensics work? I think we're all essentially the same, though not identical.

By sheer chance.. put a monkey in front of a keyboard and eventually eminem quotes will manifest .. Also on the DNA, thats what i meant, not 100% but 99.999.